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D. Clay

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Any metallurgists here?
« on: September 11, 2006, 05:34:07 PM »
Any metallurgists here? Professional or amateur.
How do you change the shape of a sway bar or spring. You can heat it and bend it. How do you restore the bar or spring to it's original characteristics?

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 09:53:22 PM »
(Mechanical Engineer here with some metals training)

Suffice it to say it would be very hard for the shadetree mechanic to return it to its original state if it had any kind of a special heat treat done to it.  If you just heat it up, bend it and let it cool in air, it will basically be annealed, meaning softened.  The stiffness won't be different, but the ultimate breaking strength and fatigue strength will be lower.  If you quench it quickly in oil, the strength will be higher, but it may become brittle, depending on the alloy, which we don't know.  If you quench it in water it will probably become brittle because of cooling so fast.

Springs usually have a special and complex heat treat cycle done to them to give them maximum life, because of how much fatigue they're under.  They may be heated very hot and held for a specific number of hours, quenched at a controlled rate, reheated to an intermediate temp and held for a specific number of hours then quenched again.  Without knowing the times and temps it's impossible to duplicate.
If you don't care about all that crap and just want to give it a go, I'd try the oil quench.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 05:20:44 AM »
You know book how to make your car handle?
There is info how to make it. Just heat it and bend, let it cool down slowly in the air, heat wide enough to get nice shape..

I havn't done it by my self..
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2006, 05:23:33 PM »
Quote from: romkasponka
You know book how to make your car handle?
There is info how to make it. Just heat it and bend, let it cool down slowly in the air, heat wide enough to get nice shape..

I havn't done it by my self..


Wasnt that book written by NASCAR enthusiasts (not engineers) in the 70's?  

unless you had the hardness tested and then sent the finished product to be tempered/annealed professionally there is a very small probability that you would be close to original spec.

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 01:28:47 AM »
The same is writen in Herb Adams "Chasis Engineering" about cutting coil springs...
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 03:53:03 PM »

Here's a link to a site with some of the authors design work from the 60's.
http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/SanteeSportsCar.html
This is a great site for American Road Racing history when drivers had names like Penske, McLaren, and Gurney.
Here's the home page:
http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/index.html
Required reading. Now we know why they died in rollovers. All those helmets sticking up over them little roll "hoops"
« Last Edit: September 14, 2006, 04:00:09 PM by D. Clay »