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rsafier

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« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2007, 07:24:41 PM »
The Hawk HT-10 is about like what a Panther+ is. But the panther works from 250-1300 so it kicks in a bit earlier. You can easily get them up to temp if your aggressive enough. I find that many people that autocross don't brake nearly enough, or when they do its soft and for too long. After ever run I take my rotors are blue, it means I'm braking effectively :)
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« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2007, 08:54:26 PM »
Oh i brake Hard!!! lol

anyway i may have to try out that panther+ and i am going to replace with SS lines just casue everything is pretty much stock on the brakes and i now have none lol! after 1 hard autox, my brakes are gone and i want to upgrade with good brakes w/o going with Massive Brakes for now.

I need everything to be able to keep up with my suspension.... my tires sure dont...


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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2007, 12:23:20 AM »
Just remember with the Motul 600 is they tend to collect more moisture than others so you will probably need to perform more frequent brake fluid flushes.

Brembo blanks are fine but in my experience, there can be a difference between the cheaper $20 Autozone rotors for example and something like Brembo or other name brand rotor. The ones made in Taiwan/China from cheaper brands tend to use inferior metalury which might be fine for the avg sane driving but will have a hard time lasting at a track event. Autocross would probably be fine but don't try a track event with these.

SS lines are like strut bars and can open the usual can of worms so I'll leave it at that.

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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2007, 02:29:06 AM »
I don't think Motel 600 collects any more then normal DOT3/4/5.1. All brake fluid regardless should be flushed ever 2 years no matter what, more if you get a lot of heat in it.

As for cheap rotors not being good for track duty, I don't think its a problem. I get the cheap ones from RockAuto and have taken to MidOhio and lots of AutoX abuse. If they are true they should be fine. Obviously one should be checking them over after hard track events. And they are much cheaper if you do wear them out a bit earlier. you can also send them out for cyrotreatment for pretty cheap, extends life about 3 times. Honestly I put more abuse on my rotors at my autocross events then I did at the track event I went to. On the track they actually get a chance to cool off a bit between corners.

The Massive Brakes package is very nice, but serious overkill for AutoX. If you were doing heavy track days I'd say its worth looking into not for the increase in braking power, pads can do that, but the extra heat elimination factor of larger and thicker rotors.

I highly recommend the Panther+ if you want max autox stopping power, but they also make a Bobcat compound, works at lower temp range, don't know if its approved for anything more then a light driver's school event, but its suppose to dust a lot less and be pretty much noise free (at least while not braking). I haven't used them, but know a Subie WRX guy that likes them.
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2007, 07:24:49 AM »
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The EBC greenstuff are autox pads at best. Not the best for track days. The earlier compound has been known to eat rotors but I believe they have changed their compound since. Dusting is pretty moderate as well. There are better choices for the money out there imo.


That's not my experience. I've done about 500 track miles on Greenstuff and stock rotors. I've never had fade but they can get very noisy. One trick is to brake 100%, never feather them.

Also, Ove Kvam who is probably the world's premier Autocrosser of E30 318is cars would recommend them, even for the Ring!

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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2007, 07:02:14 PM »
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That's not my experience. I've done about 500 track miles on Greenstuff and stock rotors. I've never had fade but they can get very noisy. One trick is to brake 100%, never feather them.

Also, Ove Kvam who is probably the world's premier Autocrosser of E30 318is cars would recommend them, even for the Ring!


Maybe newer compound as I've mentioned?

As for rotors, I'm not saying the cheaper rotors won't perform any different at the tracks. I'm just saying the metalurgy in them doesn't always allow them to last as long when doing track events(also dependent on the pad compound). My friend got 8 track events from Brembos vs. 4 track events with Autozone rotors before wearing down to minimum thickness.

IMO, Motul is good if you can get it but a bit overkill on these kinds of cars. I agree on the ATE as they represent a really good value in performance brake fluids.

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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2007, 11:53:40 PM »
I plan on tracking my car soon Heartland Park and mid ohio are the closest that i can think of.

thanks guys i have been looking for a brake thread for a while and i ahve found it!

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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2007, 07:20:16 AM »
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As for rotors, I'm not saying the cheaper rotors won't perform any different at the tracks. I'm just saying the metalurgy in them doesn't always allow them to last as long when doing track events(also dependent on the pad compound). My friend got 8 track events from Brembos vs. 4 track events with Autozone rotors before wearing down to minimum thickness.


My stock discs are made by Brembo.

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« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2007, 01:48:11 AM »
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I plan on tracking my car soon Heartland Park and mid ohio are the closest that i can think of.

thanks guys i have been looking for a brake thread for a while and i ahve found it!


Mid Ohio is pimp. Of course I've only had about 30 minutes of time on it before I blew up my car at the enterance to the Esse last year, but it was worth it :)
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