Not that I'm a lazy bum or anything, but spending 2hrs cleaning wheels isn't going to work for me. I like the looks, so getting rid of them isn't happening, either. They were spotless when I got the car, and I can't quite get them back to that point. Bought a bottle of P21s, the liquid, not the gel, and am unimpressed with the results. I'm now using Simple Green, diluted 50/50, and it seems to work better. I'm not against a good scrubbing now & then, but they are black every 2 weeks, and they make the car look like no one ever cleans it. I wash it twice/week. Any suggestions about cleaners/brushes/technique would sure be welcomed......