Author Topic: Quick ITB update  (Read 8753 times)

nickmpower

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Receive: 0
  • Posts: 890
    • View Profile
Quick ITB update
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2006, 12:18:40 PM »
can you share some details as to what you did to get run it on motronic with the 2.1?

tia

Alpine003

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Receive: 0
  • Posts: 848
    • View Profile
Quick ITB update
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 01:15:54 PM »
Quote from: tim_s;13545

On the standard engine MAP seemed to work pretty well, though I think I probably prefer MAF on balance.


Have your tried tuning against throttle position rather than MAP. When I did ITB's on my Honduh, it was a real pain to get it to run right and found that basing it off tps worked better.

Also if you're road tuning this, I found wideband, EGT, and amplified mic w/headset is a must, especially for part throttle tuning.

tim_s

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Thank You
  • -Receive: 0
  • Posts: 455
    • View Profile
Quick ITB update
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2006, 07:10:47 PM »
Yeah I've had a go with alpha-n and hybrid alpha-n, found it good at higher throttle but at low speed low throttle i find it a bit problematic as ever so slight difference in TPS meant quite large changes in air. This is cos the throttle bodies are pertty big. MAP was ok when I'd sorted a stable signal, although had almost opposite problems with resolution at higher throttle positions - difference in MAP was very slight for big difference in amount of air going in. So eventually I settled for MAF, which is working ok for me. Its been a while since I've tried with alpha-n, so maybe I should have another go, seeing as I feel a bit more competent now.

You're probably right about EGT and some det cans, I haven't used either so far, just mapped fuel off the wideband, and sparks referenced from a standard S50B32 map and the standard M42 map, and obviously knocking the timing back off a few degrees from where det occurs. Any information on what exactly you ran and tips on mapping and how to map would be gratefully received, I'm still a newbie to this and hungry for advice. Are you a megasquirt user?

2.1 200bhp, 175ft/lbs 318is
E46 330ci daily

Alpine003

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Receive: 0
  • Posts: 848
    • View Profile
Quick ITB update
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2006, 11:38:48 AM »
Quote from: tim_s;13588

You're probably right about EGT and some det cans, I haven't used either so far, just mapped fuel off the wideband, and sparks referenced from a standard S50B32 map and the standard M42 map, and obviously knocking the timing back off a few degrees from where det occurs. Any information on what exactly you ran and tips on mapping and how to map would be gratefully received, I'm still a newbie to this and hungry for advice. Are you a megasquirt user?


I don't want to write a book but you can learn a lot of tuning tips on http://www.pgmfi.org. This isn't specific to BMW's but should get you on the right path. I will be using the MS II starting next spring when I hopefully complete my ITB's for the M10 motor. All my projects related to cars have been put on the back burner this year since I'm trying to complete my remodel of my house before the end of the year. If there is anything specific, I can try to answer it but I'm not a guru either and just learning more stuff as usual.

nickmpower

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Receive: 0
  • Posts: 890
    • View Profile
Quick ITB update
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2006, 05:58:31 PM »
Quote from: nickmpower;13550
can you share some details as to what you did to get run it on motronic with the 2.1?

tia


???