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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2009, 12:53:22 PM »
I have an 84 633CSi.   I will start it and the engine would turn over, but when I let go of the key the car would die.  I checked  the fuel system was working fine, I put in a new alternator, also tried a used 85 mass air flow meter off an E28, but still the same thing.  Any suggestion would be appreciated.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 09:33:56 PM »
Check the ground strap between the block and the body.

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2010, 12:37:46 AM »
Sure- get a Weber 32/36.  All your MAF will belong to us.

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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2010, 12:54:10 AM »
We are talking about deleting parts from a modern, fuel efficient, high performance engine management system because you don't like how it looks.

go buy a Civic.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2010, 02:23:33 AM »
I have converted to a MAF & dyno tested it with that and the stock AFM.  It makes no difference in power.  The flapper door in the stock meter is not restrictive.  The biggest pressure drop you are going to see across the meter is like 0.073psi.  You lose a lot more than that in the intake ports & intake manifold.  Trust me, while there are some benefits to running a MAF, power isn't one of them.  The M42's stock air meter is properly sized.  M20 motors benefit from larger sensors only because their stock one was too small to start with.  They get the same gain from an M30 VAM as they do from a MAF.

The simplest air-fuel control system, and hardest one to tune for a street car, is Alpha-N.  It runs from RPM and throttle position alone.  It is intended for race cars where you spend 99% of the time at 0% & 100% throttle.

A lot of people have run stand-alone engine management (removed the stock ECU & put a DIY / tunable system).  This lets you run almost anything (Alpha-N, VAM, MAF, MAP).  However, you will spend a minimum of $2000 on the hardware & dyno time required to get the air/fuel ratio & ignition timing dialed in.  You can do most of the AFR stuff yourself, but the ignition timing really does require a dyno.

I understand why you want to delete the sensor.  However, it sounds like you are on a budget.  If that is the case, forget it.  Learn to work with microcontrollers & analog instrumentation & you can do it yourself while keeping the stock ECU.  Due to the cost & apparent silliness of the few commercially available MAF conversions out there, I decided that figuring out my own system was a better option. It took a solid 3 years to really get it where I wanted it. Then again, I spent more on electronic development & test equipment than a MAF kit would have cost, so I guess you are damned if you do & damned if you don't :p. That's how just about everything with cars is anyway, though.

Stick with stock & just get a Conforti or MarkD chip.  Toss in an M20 flywheel.  That's about all you can do for the M42 without spending more than $1000.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2010, 09:46:31 AM »
Quote from: bmwman91;90616
A lot of people have run stand-alone engine management (removed the stock ECU & put a DIY / tunable system).  This lets you run almost anything (Alpha-N, VAM, MAF, MAP).  However, you will spend a minimum of $2000 on the hardware & dyno time required to get the air/fuel ratio & ignition timing dialed in.  You can do most of the AFR stuff yourself, but the ignition timing really does require a dyno.

Buy the Miller W.A.R. chip and you'll have more money for dyno time. :)

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Stick with stock & just get a Conforti or MarkD chip.  Toss in an M20 flywheel.  That's about all you can do for the M42 without spending more than $1000.

And get rid of excess weight - either yours or the cars or both! LOL :D

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2010, 03:32:49 PM »
has anyone tried replacing their AFM (93) with a MAF (95 and up)
if so did it work? did you have to have the ECU reflashed???
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2010, 05:25:21 PM »
I'm going to say that the 92-95 AFM's are all the same:) Up to 12/95 you can put a chip in the DME/ECU. Beyond that you're dealing with OBDII and you'd have to have your computer flashed. Unless you're running a different management system it probably won't work, and why would you want to? There is no benefit in doing so.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2010, 06:13:57 PM »
smaller unit in that year tho

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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 10:17:11 PM »
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smaller unit in that year tho


U are referring to the MAF in the M44 which is OBD2....

There are a lot of discussion on ditching the 'barndoor' AFM and go the MAF route... but the consensus seem to be that it doesn't give you extra horses... but u do get smoother power delivery... Conclusion: not worth the trouble...

If u really want to go that route, just go all the way and put in a standalone ECU.. u can tune the engine anytime u want.... ;)