e30 m3

[LeeThompson]

How many of you remember the Cash for Clunkers last year. I know by the title and my opening sentence you all are starting to feel your beat out of your chest.

Well its true 1 1991 e30 m3 was traded in for cash for clunckers

http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf

I read it in a magizen today and came online to se if I could find some statistics on CFC and the magizen was correct.

The rolling body in its self is worth 5 to 6 thousand. What moron would trade in an awsome rare colectable for a POS Ford honda or kia? This makes me sick.

[DesktopDave]

Along with a convertible GNX (imagine the flex on that....it's filed under ASC, the convertible people), some Alfas, some nice Audis, the list goes on and on... There's a '91 M5 in there too.

Must all be rust victims...that'll keep me sane.  Found this on a 'vette board...

- 3 Alfa Romeo Milanos
- 6 1984 - 1991 Audi Coupe GT and Quattro
- 45 BMW 6 Series
- 1 M3, 1 M5, and 1 Z3
- 1 CCC Engineering Duntov GT
- 17 Chrysler Conquests (Mitsubishi Starion)
- You don't want to now the number of RX-7 and RX-8's
- 26 Merkur Scorpios, 21 XR4Ti's
- 5 Starions
- 1 2006 350Z Roadster
- 22 Peugeots
- 61 Fieros
- 1 TVR 280i
- 310 Toyota Supras

A TVR and all those Audi coupes...wow.

[LeeThompson]

I believe the complete program was a fail. I mean.... look at all the cars wasted. Why pour Sodium Silicate and crush these cars so the parts could not be used? I mean the government should have sold parts to people who need them to make a good bit of OUR money back. A complete waste of money.

Yes I agree some cars should have been taken off the road. But cars that were not clunking should have been denied. But cars that had 150,000 miles or less and were perfectly fine.... no they should have been turned back

[DesktopDave]

I don't know.  The number of new cars that sold off lots was likely about 250,000 IIRC.

The best deal didn't go to the consumer, it was for manufacturers, dealers and salvage yard owners.  I run across these all the time in the pick-n-pull yards.  Although they post that no engine parts are legal for salvage, they're still missing.  The salvage dealers are making good money off these cars.

I'm still unsure about the M42s in there.  There is no way that car could qualify, and many others to boot.  My '89 525i barely did, and that thing sucked down gas like there was no tomorrow.

[LeeThompson]

If I am not mistaken all the engines were seized. There is no way they could have been salvaged unless however some car dealer ships did not sieze the engines.

Also i believe the cars were crushed so parts could not be robbed off them. I would be happy is many is not most of the CFC cars made it through to the junky without being taken down

[DesktopDave]

The engines were definitely seized, but the auxiliaries are all good.  ICV, throttle bodies, alternators, compressors, etc.

I saw 20-30 different cars that were definitely C4C trades.  They had lime green spray paint to tell you that it wasn't permitted to pull parts off the engines.  Most had the hoods up...a few were strangely missing headers, intakes, ICVs, intakes, wiring harnesses, etc.

[Romrog318is]

some people are so fucking retarted...

thats all i can really say...

[Ryann]

Don't get me wrong, I know that there are industries out there that need regulating because they just don't give a fuck about public health and safety. But when it comes to environmental legislation, this kind of stupidity has been going on for years.

Another example: California is putting into law a new particulate emissions restriction that applies to long haul transport refrigeration units and other non-DOT diesel powered machines. I was recently at my local Thermo King dealer picking up some parts and they had more than thirty perfectly good running Japanese made Yanmar diesel four cylinders with LOW HOURS (3-6000, life expectancy is typically 25-30,000) sitting on the ground outside in the parking lot with huge holes punched through the sides of their blocks because they weren't manufactured after the new law's cutoff date.

So all the energy and pollution that was used and emitted to manufacture those engines now has to be consumed and emitted again to build replacement engines for the purposes of supposedly reducing particulate emissions by a few percentage points.

I wonder how this waste of energy adds up in comparison to the "reduced particulate emissions" over the life of the new engine?

[DesktopDave]

I wish they'd do something about two strokes.  Filthy little beasts.