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Engine + Driveline / e36 M3 LSD into e36 318
« on: May 28, 2008, 02:59:02 PM »
You only need drive shaft, the diff itself, and output shafts and you're done!
Gonna do a similar conversion myself soon...

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Engine management / Need help wiring in LC-1 wideband controller
« on: May 07, 2008, 04:53:53 AM »
OK, thanks for your your input, my concern is that it's not as easy as following the manual.

Almost all info on the net concerning emulating narrowband with innovate LC-1 or LM-1 on a BMW is not conclusive. People are experiencing issues with voltage offsets, and the ECU throwing out error codes.

bmwman91 have you diagnosed your ECU for any error codes? There are error codes that don't light the check engine light on the dash...

There is a discussion about these issues in the second half of this bimmerforums thread

Few people state that BMW uses some real complex calculations to determine AFR with the stock narrowband. And LC-1 / LM-1 can't truly emulate a physical narrowband, because of this the ECU suggests the LC-1 / LM-1 emulation is a faulty/failing O2 sensor and goes into various states of limp mode...

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Engine management / Megasquirters...Questions for You!
« on: May 03, 2008, 06:06:54 PM »
Actually a feature that should have been implemented (last time I took interest was ~6 month ago) in the MS-II Extra code was sequential injection for 4 cylinder cars.
Better mileage FTW

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Engine management / Need help wiring in LC-1 wideband controller
« on: May 03, 2008, 05:42:03 PM »
Hello everyone, I've been away for some time now, but I'm back in business

And this time I need some help from people that have successfully wired in a wide-band controller with stock ECU. I know bmwman91 has had success but maybe other people here can help also...

So my question is this: how do you wire up a wide-band controller (like LC-1) emulating the narrow-band one, and without having the ECU throw out error codes?

There close to zero information on the internet, and a lot of people had problems with their install (like nuvola rossa)

A guy named russelcq on bimmerforums says that it's impossible to fully emulate a narrow-band with LC-1 and a BMW engine, but his arguments aren't very firm (original thread here: click)

So people please help me solve this mystery, as I have my LC-1 just lying there for a week now and I want to know if it can be used with a stock ECU  before I spliced up my wiring

THANKS!

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I was going to install some VDO gauges I salvaged from the junk yard (applies to new
gauges also) as my next project, but after doing some research I may think twice before
doing so, and so should YOU!

Here's why:

Majority of aftermarket gauges provide such inaccurate/inconstant readings that they are
virtually useless, below I will try to explain exactly why:

Let’s start with
Temperature Gauges

They are most prone to inaccurate/inconstant readings and provide very important
information on the state of your engine (Exhaust Gas Temp or EGT, Oil Temp, Water
Temp, etc.):

The position of the sender/sensor/probe (later sensor) is one of the things to bear in mind,
in e.g. if we are measuring oil temp installing the sensor in the oil pressure sensor
location or after a oil cooler is not such a good idea...
A place near the oil pump pickup may be a better spot (as this area has good flow, and the
oil completes it’s full circle here), but generally requires drilling/welding the oil sump
and depending on the sensor type may require an adequate ground to be wired... Also
airflow around the sump can cool the sensor to the point where its readings may become
off.

Many gauges use a thermistor (wiki) based sensor (in e.g. VDO oil temp gauge/sensor).
What this means is that the sensor is very slow to react to temp rise, so by the time the
gauge reports a higher temp the oil has already began to break down and/or foam if we
are talking about the oil temp, or the coolant is already boiling if we are talking about
coolant temp and so on...

Thermocouple based sensors (in e.g. VDO EGT gauge/sensor) are almost instant to react,
but also have drawbacks:
Thermocouples (wiki) consist of two wires made from different material (in e.g. alumel
and chromel for a K-Type thermocouple). The end of the thermocouple that is placed
near the object which temperature we want to measure and is called the “hot junction”,
the other end is known as the “cold junction”. The difference in temperatures between the
cold and the hot junction generates a voltage. The voltage going the gauge indicates the
temp of the object. The problem here is: we either have to keep the temp of the cold
junction constant (which is almost impossible in a automotive environment), or we must
compensate for the variation of the “ambient temp” in which the cold junction is located
(be it inside the engine bay or inside the cockpit) but only very few gauges make this
compensation. Most of the gauges are set to a fixed cold junction temp of ~ 75F (24C).
And here is a quote from a gauge manufacturer CHT (the same as VDO) to show exactly
what I mean:
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For COLD JUNCTION temperatures HIGHER than 75 DEGREES F. : The Indicator will read ONE DEGREE LOW for each DEGREE of COLD JUNCTION temperature ABOVE 75 DEGREES F.
For COLD JUNCTION temperatures LOWER than 75 DEGREES F. : The indicator will read one DEGREE HIGH for each DEGREE of COLD JUNCTION temperature BELOW 75 DEGREES P.

So, imagine this: On a hot 90F (32C) summer day your typical non compensating
thermocouple based gauge/sensor will show a temp 15F (6C) lower  than the actual temp
of the object you are trying to measure and on a cold 35F (2C) winter day it will show a
temp that is 40F (22C) higher than the actual object temp. How is that for accuracy and
consistency?!

Just to add wood to the fire consider these observations made by a man named Dave Bolen:
Quote
I finally got out my new CHT gauge and sender over the weekend and did some
comparisons on the temperatures using the oven and the freezer.

Here is what I found out. First of all, the sender was "mis-wired", red went to the
negative terminal on the gauge rather than the positive one.

The major thing that I noticed was that the gauge reads about 20 degrees difference
(higher) when tilted upward at an angle like it might be mounted in a dash(rather than
horizontal).

Placing the gauge in the freezer for 15 minutes while the sender was held at a steady
temp raised the temp shown on the gauge by about 20 degrees.

The senders were placed between two pieces of sheet metal in the oven I set a pyrex dish
on top of the sheetmetal pieces in order make sure nothing moved. Gauge temps based on
"house" ambient temperature(70 degrees).

All temps are in farenheit, and numbers that aren't "on the mark" on the cht gauge are
approximate.

The meter I used was a fairly expensive METEX with a type k thermocouple probe. The
meter probe in boiling water reads about 210 at 1100 feet above sea level.....which is
pretty much exact. The probe for the digital meter was ordered with the meter when I
bought it.
Metex   VDO   Error
400F   460F   60F
358F   405F   47F
300F   340F   40F
280F   300F   20F
250F   260F   10F
235F   250F   15F
201F   210F   19F
188F   200F   12F


So, if you graph these, what becomes apparent is that the difference between "real" temps
and CHT shown temps becomes wider and wider, until at a true 400 degrees, the CHT
gauge is off 60 degrees.


You may also read this autospeed’s article titled “Giant Gauge Test - Part 2” in which
many aftermarket temp gauges are compared. Although the article does not take into
account the changing ambient temp factor from what I see…

Pressure Gauges

These gauges are less prone to inconstant and inaccurate readings provided the gauge and
the sensor is calibrated, but alas, in real life things are much more complicated…

Concerning most oil pressure sensors with a “idiot light”, they have a major problem: the
light comes on with a pressure as low as 7 PSI (0.5 BAR), and the damage is already
done by then. Some advanced gauges have a programmable “idiot light” threshold, so
that can help keep your eyes on the road and not the gauge…

I have no idea what causes aftermarket pressure gauges to perform the way they do, but
you can read the autospeed’s article “Giant Gauge Test - Part 1” here and decide for
yourself…



AFR/Lambda Gauges

These where covered in other threads on this forum, and from what
information I’ve gathered going with products such as LC-1 or LM-1 is a safe bet…

All other gauges
(voltage, current, etc.) are less important, and their accuracy does not
play as a vital role as the gouges mentioned above. (Here I can add that the VDO battery
voltage gauge shows the same values as my Mastech multimeter)

P.S. Would be interesting to hear what you people have to say?
What affordable gauges that one can trust are out there?

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Site and club discussion / Febi Guibo Lives...
« on: September 22, 2007, 03:35:42 PM »
Welcome back!
Glad you're here!

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Electrical / Any Interest in One-Touch Windows?
« on: July 31, 2007, 06:52:03 AM »
Didn't read the whole thread, but I have one touch windows and sunroof :p

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 30, 2007, 04:24:58 PM »
Quote from: gearheadE30;30681

BTW how much were the LEDs?


Well, I paid 10$ for the LED stars a piece, and 4$ a piece for some optics to play with, so thats 28$ +2$ shipping in total

Probably not the best price, but not the worst by far, and the seller was really fast to ship them, so I'm expecting them to arrive any week now ;)

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 30, 2007, 04:16:04 PM »
Quote from: bmwman91;30648
I am watching this intently.  Hopefully you will have good results!


Hey, thanks!
After doing some research at various LED forums around the web,
it became clear to me, that a full low beam conversion isn't quite practical yet.
The technology is almost here, and it's quite possible but not practical.

There are a few options if going full low beam conversion (at least it's how I imagine it):

-Use ~6-7 Lumileds Rebel LEDs surface mounted on LARGE heatsink, a
nd drive each of them @ 1Amp current,
so each one would be outputting ~200lm.
Some kind of active cooling should be required in this case,
as their efficiency would be about 63lm/w

-Use ~12-14 Lumileds Rebel LEDs surface mounted on LARGE heatsink,
and drive each of them @ ~300mA current,
so each one would be outputting ~100lm.
Active cooling may be required for those very hot days,
as the efficiency is this case is quite high @ 100lm/w

-Use this monster, and worry even more about cooling,
as efficiency of this monster, well, sucks just @ ~34lm/w

Non of these options is easy, because in each case the total vdrop across the LEDs is more than 12V,
this means wiring them in parallel, which requires additional voltage/current regulators, hence more complexity,
also I don't think any of these options could be cooled passively without requiring a massive heat sink,
 or some modern technology like heat pipes.

Also fitting all this in the beam assembly is quite a challenge, even in case of the e36 beams, which have quite some room.
The other challenge is "conditioning" the light produced by the LEDs before it hits the stock lens.
As LEDs produce quite a concentrated light, some kind of optics should be used to spread it out more evenly.
But this is quite possible, because wide angel lenses are common for popular LEDs.

There are ofcourse other problems that one will encounter, if taking on this challenge.
But it is possible, I know at least one guy who did a full High/Low beam conversion for his friends truck,
and I can link to his thread if someones interested, although, the server with his pics is down,
so there is nothing to look at except some 15 pages of boring text.

I personally still believe, that in some 2-3 years such conversion would become even more practical,
for now though, using LEDs for anything more than DRLs is not quite practical IMO…

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 28, 2007, 12:07:27 PM »
I think Saab also has a car with LED low beams.

BTW I ordered 2 some of the brightest single chip LEDs (Seoul P4) 240lm capable, and will try to do a DLR mod with them…

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General Topics / Skid Plates
« on: July 23, 2007, 04:05:07 PM »
I've seen a e36 cross brace installed into a e30, should function like a skid pad + extra body rigidity

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 22, 2007, 03:56:02 PM »
OK, after more thought I think it would be better to use the same Luxeon Rebel LED's but @ 1.5A per LED. This should give us an output of 300lm per each LED, although at a cost of lower efficiency ~60lm/W
So we would only need 5 LEDs per side, and still achieve better lighting ~30% higher and ~27W of power consumption

The cost for the conversion would lower dramatically (~50$ total)

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 22, 2007, 01:19:30 PM »
Ok people I've started a thread on bimmerforums to see if we can get some momentum going:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=793158

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 22, 2007, 09:32:39 AM »
Quote from: nuvolarossa;30114
This things make me think... here too we should have low beams all day.. do you posted this in other forums too? I'm starting to think a custom headlight for e36s... :) maybe leds only for daylight...
 


Thanks for the links!
No I haven't posted at other forums yet ;)
We think the same :D

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Electrical / LED Headlight Retrofit: It's possible!
« on: July 22, 2007, 08:12:44 AM »
Quote from: asubimmer;30080
that seems like a good idea at first but you've overlooked a small but importaint detail.  While LEDs are very bright up close they do not projoject their light as far as your standard bulb.  You MIGHT be able to get away w/ LEDs in your fogs but I wouldn't want to.


How can a light source that is brighter not shine further?
I think it's just that LEDs have a small angle at which the light is visible, so a lens/diffuser needs to be used to spread the light in the places you want…

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