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DISCUSSION => Swaps, Turbos, Buildups => Topic started by: bwawuz02 on October 10, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
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Today I finished tearing down the 5/95 build date M42 that I picked up last week. GOOD NEWS! It already has the lighter connecting rods and piston oil squirters of the M44.
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im running 8.5:1 with a holset HY35. will be running about 20psi and conservativly hoping for 300 at the wheels. should be running by spring if all goes according to schedule!
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Awesome. I cant wait to see what you put together. whats your whp goal?
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back from the depths...
Parts gathered so far:
M44 +0.50 Maxsil Pistons from Bavarian Recyclers (eBay): $400
M44 Crank: $100
VW Lifters: $230
MM Valve Springs/Retainers/Guides: $710 ($50 of this was renting their spring compressor)
MM Single Row Chain: $240
ARP Head Studs: $195
ARP main studs: $90
M20 13lb flywheel w/new clutch, 323i TOB, and shorter bolts: $300
4 hole (type 3) 19lb Mustang Injectors: $40 (going to push these with a PnP M50 3.5BAR/50psi FPR)
MarkD chip: $185
COP Kit: $150
VAC quoted me $850 for the CatCams I want, waiting to purchase...
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I need to get to the machine shop(s) asap, prolly gonna take next monday off ;)
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bump
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Nice progress right there! Making a mini stroker ey?
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Not to detract from the awesomeness of the engine build (nice pics BTW), but I really dig that pinstripe with the black & white color scheme!!
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Nice progress right there! Making a mini stroker ey?
with a focus on lightening the rotating mass' inertia. hoping to pick up S50 throttles to finish her off with a redline around 7,5-7,8rpm
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with a focus on lightening the rotating mass' inertia. hoping to pick up S50 throttles to finish her off with a redline around 7,5-7,8rpm
NOW we're talkin!!! I want to get ITB's for my m50 but don't know if it'll be worth it power wise. I've yet to see any numbers for the gains...
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I'm working with Kevin Johnson on getting the M44 crank scraper made up too.
I should be getting the template in the mail soon to make the final touches and send it back to them for production. If you check their site he already updated it to offer the M44 scraper as well: http://www.crank-scrapers.com/bmw_m42.html
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teasers...
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The M44 pistons i got are noticeably lighter than the stockers, wish I had a small digi-scale. You can kinda see in the background that they come with tapered wall wrist pins too ;)
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I will be dropping the head, rotating assembly, and block at the machine shop on monday. I ordered ARP main studs today p/n 201-5001, only a couple dollars more than stock main bolts on amazon. Once I get good specs from the machinist i'll be ordering bearings and putting stuff together.
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Just dropped the bottom end at rebello racing in Antioch. Head is getting cleaned up in Sacramento.
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just curious, where are you having the head done?
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Sacramento Cylinder Head
http://www.cylinderheadsonline.com
picking it up tomorrow or friday, just had them swap the valve guides and deck the mating surface.
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Great looking build so far. Do the old and new piston match up height-wise when you install the pin in both to compare them side by side because from the picture they are at different heights? Did you send your timing cover along with your head to be resurfaced?
Cheers,
~Ralph
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Looking Good and your doing the work!!! Wish I could give you a few important suggestions / upgrades you should do while the engine is Torin down GL
Forgot to say your car is Breathtaking! ( Sick )
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Great looking build so far. Do the old and new piston match up height-wise when you install the pin in both to compare them side by side because from the picture they are at different heights? Did you send your timing cover along with your head to be resurfaced?
Cheers,
~Ralph
no, are people doing this? i thought that the whole timing case being separate wouldn't require resurfacing. As for the pistons, I'm using an M44 crank w/M44 pistons, with the rods of both motors being the same length the pistons/pin would have to be different.
Looking Good and your doing the work!!! Wish I could give you a few important suggestions / upgrades you should do while the engine is Torin down GL
Forgot to say your car is Breathtaking! ( Sick )
Any input is greatly appreciated ;) thanks for the kind words about my car, just like people though I only post the best pics of her lol.
Got the head back today and installed the MM valve springs/retainers. For $200 i'm not complaining.
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I popped the ring gear off my spare M42 flywheel and I'm having rebello swap it with the one on my 528e 13.5lb flywheel. If I don't drop too much money at rebello I might order my cams next week.
I snagged a M44 electric fan from pick n' pull the other day and a non-airbag cruise stalk to go behind my MT2 steering wheel. Now all I need is the actuator cable from an E36 and i'll have all the bits to add cruise.
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Just snagged the reground cams from hqautosport ;)
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bwawuz02 And so it begins... (another M42 build)
I hope I learn something from this for when I tear my 91, 318 Slick apart.
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matching rear seat is in, semi-permanently
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Hope this all works out for you, based on the first pic I thought you might be building a DUHC motor :D
Nice build. I hope to do something similar as time and funds allow.
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Hope this all works out for you, based on the first pic I thought you might be building a DUHC motor :D
Haha, yeah! I had set the cam trays there to make room on my bench, and when I took the pic I realized that it kinda looks like a face: cam shaft eyes, crank snout nose, and water pump hole mouth...
Hopefully I'll get the rear subframe and 25mm brake MC swapped in saturday.
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got my cams today, will assemble the rest of the head once I get the block back from rebello. pics to come soon ;)
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What kind of durations did you guy with on the cams? How much were they from hqautosport?
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dunno, they are used regrinds of stock cams and the hq guys didn't have specs on them. looks like they took a decent amount off the back sides of the lobes (smaller base circle) and increased duration. Don't think I'll have time to have them spec'd. Still waiting for rebello to finish the bottom end. Picked up a full gasket set, just need to order chain rails/tensioner and oil pump relief valve.
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sorry for the late update, been busy. Just waiting on timing components from blunttech.com
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What are the advantages of having a single row timing chain?
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Less rotational mass (~2lbs) = faster revs
Metric Mechanic also says that the single row chains last longer
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So when will this be complete, I have a spare m42 sitting at home that I may build up:D
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I put in Delta Cams 272deg regrinds a few weeks ago. Amazing difference. The whole powerband just feels beefier and less peaky. Should be hitting the dyno soon to get results to compare to the pre cam baseline run.
Either way, anyone considering cams....do it. You can also just regrind the intake and keep the exhaust stock for a cheaper solution.
I actually feel the car is better now on the street than before. I have been driving it daily since the cam install with no problems, no regrets.
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wow dude, thats great. curious what 272 cams do for the motor!
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Yeah me too!! And then build a stroker and test them on it too!!:D
~R
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Dyno time scheduled this weekend so cam results will be available and compared to a pre-cam dyno just a few weeks before. Should make for a decent comparison as any. Hopefully my fuel problem is figured out.
No stroker in the works. Not enough gain for cost. Going to be using an EVO9 twinscroll turbo. :) VEMS standalone is almost configured and its all wired so that should be coming soon too.
Find my build thread on e30tech "m42 love"
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Dyno time scheduled this weekend so cam results will be available and compared to a pre-cam dyno just a few weeks before. Should make for a decent comparison as any. Hopefully my fuel problem is figured out.
No stroker in the works. Not enough gain for cost. Going to be using an EVO9 twinscroll turbo. :) VEMS standalone is almost configured and its all wired so that should be coming soon too.
Find my build thread on e30tech "m42 love"
whats your username there?
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My name on most other forums is Wazzu70. This site wouldnt let me activate it for some reason.
My dyno results with the cams were not so good. I lost 2hp peak and even more down low. My AFR is lean like most are on these engines at 14:1 and you can see where the engine stops adding power due to lack of fuel.
I need to redyno after I tune the vehicle with proper timing and AFR. Car drives much better with the cams though. A dyno does not pick up part throttle response or anything other than WOT.
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For dyno charts:
http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107280#post107280
For build thread:
http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89208
I will move my pictures over here when I have time as well. Also if you could change my user name to wazzu70 it would be appreciated :)
Sorry for the thread jack OP
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So when will this be complete, I have a spare m42 sitting at home that I may build up:D
Well, I'm in Germany until the spring, so not until I get back ;)
On the upside though, I picked up a SplitSecond MAF/O2 meter on r3v and will be using that to fine tune these...
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I'm hoping the bosch design III 19lb injectors and an M50 FPR will flow enough fuel upto 7.5k rpm
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Jealous :)
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just got the email back from dbilas, 1221 euro without VAT (19% German sales tax)... thanks uncle sam ;)
$1700 US
also found an audi 4.0 bar FPR that should do the trick if the M50 3.5 bar isn't enough
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I have the Dbilas ITB's and the airbox does not fit the E30. It won't clear the brake booster. My car is stock, nothing has been changed to cause this. Brand new motor mounts as well so that's not it. I know they made an E36 version too so maybe i got that one instead. I now have to modify the airbox to work and the whole throttle assembly seems a bit weak. I will also be re-designing a new bracket for that as well.
Just a FYI....
Cheers,
~Ralph
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Ralph, sounds to me like you have a real problem on your hands. I wouldn't even bother solving it. Just put those babies in a box and ship them over to my place and relax :)
Had to try it....
Interesting you say it does not fit though. Guess you will have to go with tea strainers if you can tune Alpha-N.
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Hi Ralph,
Is your plenum a complete cast unit? Mine had a the booster end cut off with a flat plate welded on! Utter crap for flow hence the new one i made. Mine may be an E36 version but looks a bit to DIY foe a purchace item..
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Mine is a complete cast unit. I will have to modify it somehow to make it work. I may take my chances on the S54 airbox that I bought which fits perfectly to the ITB's but is just a wee bit to big:)
Wazzu70.......I was contemplating doing that but am gonna stick it out and make these work! Hahaha I could tune A-N but will do MAP with the ITB's. I'm eliminating the ICV and am using those ports as my MAP source to Megasquirt.
~Ralph
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I have the Dbilas ITB's and the airbox does not fit the E30. It won't clear the brake booster. My car is stock, nothing has been changed to cause this. Brand new motor mounts as well so that's not it. I know they made an E36 version too so maybe i got that one instead. I now have to modify the airbox to work and the whole throttle assembly seems a bit weak. I will also be re-designing a new bracket for that as well.
Just a FYI....
Cheers,
~Ralph
Thanks for the heads up. I will be buying them in person at dbilas and will make this inquiry before I go.
After some more reading, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go with the 24lb/hr 0280155715 bosch injectors.
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Don't go with the 715's. They just had a huge recall on them for leakage. I had them but never got to install them and they sent me the 150 version which is the ford motorsport ones. I don't have the number off hand but I'm pretty sure it's the 947. So 0 280 150 947.
Good luck with your purchase.
~Ralph
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thanks for the recall info, dbilas says:
"We have two airboxes, one for E30 and one for E36. Maybe that the other guy has the wrong airbox. If you come to us, we can show you, what is the difference."
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Yeah well I'm not going to Dbilas.......are you? hahahahaha
Ralph
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Yes you idiot, I'm in germany right now.
Thanks for the heads up. I will be buying them in person at dbilas and will make this inquiry before I go.
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No need for the hostility:) You never said you were in Germany at the moment.
Regardless, it would be nice to see the differences between the 2 plenums so we all know what works and what doesn't.
Cheers,
Ralph
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no hostility, lol, just lack of patience. race you to get the ITBs in and tuned ;) I won't even be back to my build until April.
looks like the replacement injectors are ford racing 24lb/hr part # M-9593-AA302
snagged a few aesthetic goodies, prolly gonna get a no-cat mid-pipe and mtech 2 kit soon.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/180740296586?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1118
http://www.ebay.de/itm/290621165919?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1118
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I'm in Thailand right now but hoping that my car is getting the exhaust welded right now so that when I get home I can go tune it.
Those are exactly the inj's you DON'T want to get!! Those are the 155 body type that had the leakage issue. You want the 150 style I posted earlier.
0 280 150 947 they should flow about 260cc where the 715's flow 256cc.
Same same but different as they say here in Thailand.
Good luck with your goodie collecting. Get some nice stuff!!
Pics of the plenums would be awesome too. I know that Dbilas suggests at least a 262* cam with the ITB's so ask them what their current pricing is, if you wouldn't mind. But if the motor is bored and stroked they suggest at least a 272*. Those prices would be helpful as well:D
Cheers,
~Ralph
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I'm leaning towards the 155 body cuz they have the "better" four hole spray pattern. 256cc is more than enough, and I can bump it with a FPR if it's not. I'm not sure of the specs on the regrind cams I got from the hq autosport guys. I will try to get the pics and your questions answered. CatCams has a decent selection of cams too, just didn't wanna pay the $8-900 price tag when the regrinds popped up for about $300
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coming from a ford tuning website: http://eectuning.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14217
Different injectors most definitely have different Injector Offset curves. In fact, that's not limited to just rated sizes of injectors. A Bosch EV1 24lb injector isn't likely to have the same Injector Offset curve as a Bosch 24lb EV6 injector or a Denso 24lb injector. The mechanical construction of each of those is no doubt different, so the characteristics of how responsive it opens and closes will be different as well. Looking at the 97 Explorer 5.0L tune which has 19lb EV6 injectors has significantly lower Injector Offsets across the voltage range as compared to the Injector Offset curve in the GUFx EECs, which is for EV1 era 19lb injectors. That tells me they made improvements, not only to the spray pattern, but also in the injector's responsiveness to open and close...thus reducing the amount of compensation required in the Injector Offset function.
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Now I'll feel safer revving her new engine to 7.8k rpm ;)
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picking these up on monday http://www.ebay.com/itm/250906050042
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Ordered this cat back by fox exhaust... front silencer, not crushed under subframe and has blocking plate to prevent future crushing, retains separation joint from stock setup. ~$750
http://www.fox-exhaust.com/uk/shop/show/Performance+Exhaust+Systems-1/BMW-26/3+Series-52/E30-18/E30+318is-63/
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I'll post sound clips in the spring when it finally gets installed ;)
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So my exhaust from fox just arrived and all i can say is wow, I am extremely pleased with their work. The exhaust is a straight through design, all the welds are excellent, and even comes with a TUV approved certificate. I would HIGHLY recommend purchasing this exhaust to anyone who really loves their M42 E30. I had to wait 5 weeks for construction, but for the price it was totally worth it. I bought it on german ebay for $695 shipped. You will most likely have to go thru their US distributor, of which I can't find any but there is a US webpage where you can contact them directly:
http://www.fox-exhaust.com/us/customer/findealer/index.html
I can't wait to install it when I get back and post a video ;) But of course the video won't be coming from a stock M42 either
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I just finished working with Barrie aka midnight-tuning (http://www.facebook.com/#!/Midnight.Tuning.Solutions) on a custom XDF/bin for tuning my build with the stock Motronic ECU using an Ostrich 2.0 emulator. Barrie is an absolute pleasure/professional to work with and I would highly recommend contatcting him for any of your tuning/chip needs.
Now i'm looking to get a KnockLink G4 for knock detection using the stock OBD1 knock sensors (same ones LinkECU sells as an option with the G4). Pair that with the my LC-1/SplitSec MAF kit and I should be able to dial this thing in pretty well... eventually :)
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Hey thanks for the plug hehe. I just got threw reading this build as per your email and it's very impressive. I'm very curious to what the final HP numbers will be. Please post your dyno if you ever get it done :) pleasure working with you Jesse and all the best with the build
Cheers
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Those are exactly the inj's you DON'T want to get!! Those are the 155 body type that had the leakage issue. You want the 150 style I posted earlier. 0 280 150 947 they should flow about 260cc where the 715's flow 256cc.
Taking Ralph's advice and not wanting to use old-style injectors, I ended up ordering some of the new Design 4 injectors. The guy who sells these carries a strong rep with the LS1 crowd and said that 24lb/hr should be plenty for 200hp. The injectors are 60mm from o-ring to o-ring and should be a direct swap. These are supposed to not have the leaking problem that the Design 3s do. They were $160 shipped with the EV1 adpaters to make these plug and play with the stock harness :)
http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=206
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took a little trip today :)
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That is incredible. I wish i had bought a set when i was thinking of going ITBS.
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Drool!!!!
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Yes drool, I sat in my room inspecting them for about an hour, lol; very nice quality on everything. I honestly had a hard time deciding to bite the bullet on these considering S50B30 ITBs can be had with plenum for half the price, but I'm glad I got these instead. I honestly don't have the time to retrofit the S50s and these are truly plug n play.
With the current exchange rate and uncle sam's VAT free form, I walked out with these for $1550 US :)
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Damn you dude...and Happy New Year.
If you want we can test them out on my M42:D.
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Damn you dude...and Happy New Year.
If you want we can test them out on my M42:D.
I would love to, but I would hate to run your engine too lean and possibly do damage (i think it was deekay who said his was running lean on 21lb/hr injectors); not to mention the sadness of having to take them back out and ruin your fun :)
working with a guy from 318ti.org to help keep the ITBs clean: http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32174
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I would love to, but I would hate to run your engine too lean and possibly do damage (i think it was deekay who said his was running lean on 21lb/hr injectors); not to mention the sadness of having to take them back out and ruin your fun :)
working with a guy from 318ti.org to help keep the ITBs clean: http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32174
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Yeah, I need a catchcan too. My int mani was pretty oily for it being only 4mos since I did the motor.
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Yeah, I need a catchcan too. My int mani was pretty oily for it being only 4mos since I did the motor.
I highly recommend you contact the guy in the link I posted, he does great work and his customer service is out of this world. I know it's just a catch can, but i like knowing that my build is unique so that totally makes it worth a little extra scratch. If you do decide to get one from him, do it soon so he can send it to my APO for cheaper shipping and you can pick it up from me; I'm only here until the end of March :)
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my finished catch can :)
i'm going to use this to mount it: http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+Performance+Products/555/150040/10002/-1
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moates emulator ordered, KnockLink G4/LC-1/Midnight Tuning XDF delivered. DIY tuning, here I come!!!
My build started with a 5/95 build E36 M42 that came w/knock sensors. I'll be using the stock knock sensor setup to feed signal to the knocklink :)
YouTube Vids
KnockLink G4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvewfsDxN54)
KnockBlock G4: shows KnockLink in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-U3Kujdp_w)
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Some lite reading before I start to pretend that I actually know what I'm doing :)
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That's quite the read. Your build gets more epic every time I check in.
Thanks for posting all this information.
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Love it!
You are doing some awesome work.
Cheers,
d.hitchcock
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Love it!
You are doing some awesome work.
Cheers,
d.hitchcock
Thanks! When the key turns and the engine starts w/o puking anything out I'll gladly accept that compliment. This is the best erector set EVER!!!
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The Greg Barnish book was really good I thought.
If you need any more recommendations I have a few others that are pretty good. Also if you have tuning questions, post them up. Im no pro, but I will help where I can. Almost got my VEMS installed completely and will be tuning soon :)
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The Greg Barnish book was really good I thought.
If you need any more recommendations I have a few others that are pretty good. Also if you have tuning questions, post them up. Im no pro, but I will help where I can. Almost got my VEMS installed completely and will be tuning soon :)
please share the books you're talking about :) I'm very excited to see your VEMS finished, tuned, and running!
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Here are some books:
This one is more basic:
How to Tune and Modify Engine Management Systems (http://www.amazon.com/Modify-Management-Systems-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760315825/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1330068357&sr=8-2-spell)
This one is more advanced:
Forced Induction Performance Tuning A Practical Guide to Supercharging and Turbocharging (http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Performance-Practical-Supercharging-Turbocharging/dp/1859606911/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330068494&sr=1-1)
Even if you aren't looking to turbo the forced induction book is still very good to understand engines. The Greg Barnish book was good too.
Almost done with the wiring on my car. I went overboard and did the interior wiring too:
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Its very close though...
If you ever have tuning/theory questions, feel free to ask. I'll share what I know.
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Looking very good! you gonna make it to the E30 picnic in June?
side note... 3.64 torsen diff from a Z3 coming into the mix (muahahahahahaha) :D
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Looking very good! you gonna make it to the E30 picnic in June?
side note... 3.64 torsen diff from a Z3 coming into the mix (muahahahahahaha) :D
(http://autobahnparts.com/ebay/josh/DSC01365.JPG)
To be honest I am not sure if I will go to the picnic. I'll probably swing by and check out the cars and say hi to old friends, but thats about it. Last year I left after just a few hours. Loses its appeal when you have seen most of the cars a billion times before :) Keep in mind the old Triple X location was a few blocks from my apartment when it was there so I have been there for the last 6 years or so. You just see a lot of the same stuff :)
If you are making it up for the picnic though, let me know and I will be sure to swing by and say hi!
The torsen will be nice!
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Is the z3 diff a direct bolt on?