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DISCUSSION => Engine management => Topic started by: 1991 E30 M42 on May 10, 2009, 03:07:25 PM
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We may be in luck, I just spoke to a Miller Performance rep the other day and they should have a W.A.R. chip for the 175 ecu within the next few weeks. We will see, Miller doesn't have a good record with the M42 if anyone remembers their attempt at the maf conversion.
Those of you who have not read about the W.A.R. chip, it is a chip that replaces your stock eprom chip in your ecu, and with the provided software, you can plug your laptop into it and change fuel and ignition maps as well as other things. From what I have read, It is similar to Hondata which I am sure some of you have heard of.
http://www.millerperformancecars.com/files/WAR%20Chip%20-%20Declassified.pdf
As stated from the Miller Performance site:
We are at W.A.R...
Traditional BMW performance chips did not see this coming. A WAR has been waged against traditional performance chips. Many have been anticipating a product like this for years and now the wait is over. Taking control of your engine has never been faster or easier. The WAR Chip gives you control of your modifications and allows your car to perform butter-smooth. No longer will you be hesitant to change something with your engine and fear it running poorly - you can get it to perform to your standards with the WAR Chip.
The WAR Chip is available for most 1995 and older BMW cars as well as Porsche Mercedes and VW. This revolutionary and highly needed product is here - so rest assured, your BMW will always perform at its highest.
A BMW Performance Chip
With way more benefit.
The WAR Chip is not your standard BMW performance chip. It is a specially designed product that allows you to increase your performance of your engine in many ways. You can run multiple tunes on one chip, with the Tune Command Module (TCM) you can change between 4 different tunes that can be stored on the WAR Chip. For example you can have, a street tune, a race tune and a valet tune stored on the WAR Chip which you can choose between anytime with the TCM.
The Mini USB connector gives you endless tuning possibilities. With our WAR Chip Windows software you can custom tune your engine. Unlike traditional performance chips, the WAR Chip gives you the ability to modify your tune to suit any engine modifications you made. You will no longer have to worry about buying another traditional chip or paying for a custom tune - you can do it yourself!
WAR ROOM
- Online tuned files database
The WAR Chip doesn't stop at being the most flexible performance chip out there, it will help build a tighter BMW Performance community. With The WAR Chip opening up so many doors there is so much potential to have perfectly running high performance cars. The WAR Chip uses a special file type proprietary to Miller Performance these files can only be used in conjunction with the WAR Chip. The WAR Room will be an online data base that WAR Chip Members can browse. This online database will have a ton of different tunes to download and try. Members can also upload tunes they have successfully created to be shared by members with similar engine configurations!
The WAR Room will be a special area of the site that lets members browse files for their specific car. With details about which ECU, engine modifications and power specs, the member can download and try tunes to help speed up their tuning process. If the tune isn't quite bang on, you can always adjust it as needed so the WAR Room will help dial your tune in much faster.
The WAR Room will be exclusive to WAR Chip members. Anyone can see the files in the WAR Room and read the descriptions, but you must be a member to upload and download. The WAR Room will be one of the biggest revolutions to eurpoean performance tuning. With the ability to work together, there is no reason why any car would be left with a poor tune!
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any word on expected costs?
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$350 plus extra for add on's
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Curious :)
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Awesome! would be much interesting if it cost around $199 :D
Does it compatible with euro dme :confused:
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here's some links might ease :cool:
http://millerperformancecars.com/media/educational/150-war-chip-boost-control.html
http://millerperformancecars.com/war-chip.html
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I don't know if it will work for the euro cars, you would have to ask them. I am surprised that people aren't as excited about the WAR as I am, I figured this thread would have drawn a lot of interest, especially with everyone talking about turbos.
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I don't know if it will work for the euro cars, you would have to ask them. I am surprised that people aren't as excited about the WAR as I am, I figured this thread would have drawn a lot of interest, especially with everyone talking about turbos.
Their info kinda complicate to most people who never pulling dme cover over though.
By the way I'd rather had a deal 1st to pump my mood asking for euro compatible.
Thanx for you posting anyway ;)
George
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It might be interesting if it worked with a WBO2.
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Well i for one am very excited to see how this works out, they need to hurry up and get this thing made so we can see if its worth a damn.
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I have talked to some people that have it for other cars and they love it. I have also been trying to keep tabs on Miller Performance as to when they will release the chip for the 175 ecu but haven't heard anything so I sent them an email today, and will post up when i hear something.
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Bump as I am very interested in it.
I wish they gave better information about it though.
I'm still a nub to BMWs so I'm not sure of what I can do for tuning in my Ti but I'm definately considering a turbo for her.
180k miles and still going strong. :D
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what happened with their attempt at the MAF conversion? M20 owners are getting them... what's the hang up on the M42?
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they stopped production of the m42 maf due to difficulties/complications with the programming
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Does anyone know if they will make a W.A.R. chip for the 590 ECU with EWS???
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Ask them, you might get an answer, I have been bothering them since they said they were going to release one for the 175 but have only ever gotten one response.
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will they fit th e30 m4 318is
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if you mean M42 that's the car I am talking about (the 175 ecu is the E30 M42 ecu)
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i was going to get a markd 93. should i wait for the war chip???
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Ask them, you might get an answer, I have been bothering them since they said they were going to release one for the 175 but have only ever gotten one response.
I did send them a question about it a while back and they told me to keep a look out on their website, and that they hadn't got to that ECU yet but they were planning on it. I just hope someone can make a chip that can work with, or even bypass, the EWS :(
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i was going to get a markd 93. should i wait for the war chip???
No :cool:
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Mark why don't you come out with a chip like that, I currently have one of your chips and love it but I will be doing alot more to my engine soon and the chip wont keep up
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Are we going to see a dogfight between canadians :)
I was in touch to Miller last week and they replied really soon. I am looking for a W.A.R kind of solution for Porsche 944 turbo i have.Their price is attractive compared the two similar solutions which can be found for Porsche.
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The W.A.R. chip program for bosch 175.ECU File ready. http://millerperformancecars.com/war-chip/167-e30-318-ecu.html
Isnt this the m42? e30
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#175 that is it:)
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WOW they finally released it i have been sending them emails for months with no response.
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very good news i'd say ;)
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how is this chip any better than say a dinan? or turner?
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you can tune it like a standalone ecu, I have messed with one in a friends 325 and they are fairly easy to use but still have a couple bugs
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can you still not change the injector size? what limitations are there to sharkedit?
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I am waiting on mine to be delivered, once i get it i will post up how it all goes.
I am a total noob when it comes to mapping so if it goes ok for me it should be pish easy for anyone with half a clue.
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would anybody know how this war chip compares to turner or dinan?
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as stated before, it functions as a standalone ecu not a pre-programmed chip
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would anybody know how this war chip compares to turner or dinan?
It could be identical should you choose to replicate a Dinan or Turner map.
The beauty of this system is that you can effectively get most of the functionality of a MS or MSII without either re-looming or creating a pigtail, plus you retain the standard coil drivers and all existing ecu functions. its pretty revolutionary imo
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It could be identical should you choose to replicate a Dinan or Turner map.
The beauty of this system is that you can effectively get most of the functionality of a MS or MSII without either re-looming or creating a pigtail, plus you retain the standard coil drivers and all existing ecu functions. its pretty revolutionary imo
systems like this have been around for years, look at hondata and chrome
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systems like this have been around for years, look at hondata and chrome
Sorry again I should has been specific.
Its pretty revolutionary for the BMW scene.
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all well and good if they make the chip for your ECU...i'm still waiting on the 590 chip to be made :(
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all well and good if they make the chip for your ECU...i'm still waiting on the 590 chip to be made :(
Witch engine is this ecu for?:confused:
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M42...duh ;) hahaha
E36 318iS 1995...that's the car it is out of...
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Its pretty revolutionary for the BMW scene.
Its pretty revolutionary for the pre 1996 Motronic scene. :)
I have been in touch with Miller because they are about to launch a Porsche version as well.
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Can you change the injector size in the software? IIRC someone previously mentioned on this forum that you couldn't and that was a major lim factor.
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Injector size doesn't matter, in the tuning process you change the injector pulse width to whatever is needed to keep the proper air fuel ratio at a certain rpm and engine load. This chip is not for you if you have never tuned a car before unless you are going to pay someone to tune it for you which gets expensive. This is not a pre-programmed chip, you can download 2 tunes from the miller website, but that is not what you buy this chip for, you buy it if you are changing major items on the car and the stock and performance chips wont control it. If you just want a little more power, say you have an intake and an exhaust, then get a Mark D chip. If you are going to boost your car, ITB, big cams, extensive internal engine modifications, alternate fuels (alcohol, e85, etc...) then this is the chip for you. It really shouldn't even be called a chip, it is a circuit board that completely replaces your stock eprom chip.
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I have been doing a lot of reading on shark edit and it seems like it is a pretty good deal for the money, but with no "off the shelf" tunes available it would take a lot of dyno time to really get a good tune. The same goes for the WAR chip; sure, you can use one of their loaded tunes, but what is the point? More so than anything, this makes for a much simpler way of tuning, without having to completely re-wire the entire car. Like Eric said, this chip is meant as a tool for more serious builders who have reached the limit of the stock motronic but who don't want to go through the hassle of a stand-alone or more complicated piggy-back. As far as I see it, in the end you aren't saving much money, just simplicity and ease of use.
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I went to go buy one tonight and there is still no selection on the drop bar for the 175 ecu. I just sent them what I think is my 50th email and hopefully I will get a response in the morning and will post up what they say.
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Sorry about that. It was added in the software download section, but it wasn't updated in the store side. It is now posted and ready to be ordered. The MAF is completely irrelevant to this, but I understand your concerns.
Brody Saari
Miller Performance Ltd
604 755 7692
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Does it support a wideband? Any form of boost control? I'm considering FI soon, and this may be exactly what I need.....
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anybody have this software yet?
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bump
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this is awsome news . u guys know what parts i would need to ahve a chip. for now the turbo will have a rrfpr
sorry not trying to thread jack
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does anyone have this in their car and running it yet
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I do not own it, but I have put one in a friends car and tuned it, it works but I do not like a few things about it, you cant tune on the fly, any time the car is running, you have to disconnect the usb cable from the computer, so every time you want to change the tune you must hook the laptop back up then adjust the tune and upload it to the ecu, then remove the laptop and start the car and make your pull. It is ok if you have a relatively stock car and can use their base tune, but if you can get a base tune for something similar to what you are running, you are fucked and it is going to take some time and is very frustrating having to disconnect and reconnect the laptop all the time. With many standalones you can tune going down the road if you need to, and have a wideband, you see a lean spot and you add a little fuel and load it while the car is at the stop light, and many of them also allow you to monitor engine parameters through the software. It is also a pain in the ass to get the software setup as you have to send them a request code and wait for them to send you an activation code back, and the software is not Vista or Windows 7 ready. On my laptop I had to run the software in XP SP3 compatibility mode and still hade a few issues.
Here is the megasquirt interface which is much easier to use and costs around the same ammount
(http://www.jsm-net.demon.co.uk/trans/mt1.GIF)
(http://www.blackhawkengr.com/Black%20Hawk%20Engineering%20-%20Bolt%20On%20Turbo%20Fuel%20Injection_files/image034.jpg)
(http://dcerutti.smugmug.com/photos/172390690-M.jpg)
here is a demo of the software
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHMWjhRinBo
Another thing with the megasquirt is the hud which can be purchased separately
http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/lcdash-digital-touchscreen-dash-display-for-megasquirt-p-167.html
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good video, I appreciate it
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Wow! This is good news indeed. I thought they abandoned the project forever. I'm glad they did it. Now if they'd do one for M42s with DISA...
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i doubt ill ever do road tuning i just want to have a couple maps i can flip through. i figure ill get it dynotuned and just have it
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I am running the war chip om my car. its a m43 8 valve engine but running on a ecu from m42 318is 282 93 mod i guess. this is a garbage project an just for fun and a learning experiense. link to a norwegian site sorry http://www.bimmers.no/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=144894
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We may be in luck, I just spoke to a Miller Performance rep the other day and they should have a W.A.R. chip for the 175 ecu within the next few weeks. We will see, Miller doesn't have a good record with the M42 if anyone remembers their attempt at the maf conversion.
Those of you who have not read about the W.A.R. chip, it is a chip that replaces your stock eprom chip in your ecu, and with the provided software, you can plug your laptop into it and change fuel and ignition maps as well as other things. From what I have read, It is similar to Hondata which I am sure some of you have heard of.
http://www.millerperformancecars.com/files/WAR%20Chip%20-%20Declassified.pdf
As stated from the Miller Performance site:
We are at W.A.R...
Traditional BMW performance chips did not see this coming. A WAR has been waged against traditional performance chips. Many have been anticipating a product like this for years and now the wait is over. Taking control of your engine has never been faster or easier. The WAR Chip gives you control of your modifications and allows your car to perform butter-smooth. No longer will you be hesitant to change something with your engine and fear it running poorly - you can get it to perform to your standards with the WAR Chip.
The WAR Chip is available for most 1995 and older BMW cars as well as Porsche Mercedes and VW. This revolutionary and highly needed product is here - so rest assured, your BMW will always perform at its highest.
A BMW Performance Chip
With way more benefit.
The WAR Chip is not your standard BMW performance chip. It is a specially designed product that allows you to increase your performance of your engine in many ways. You can run multiple tunes on one chip, with the Tune Command Module (TCM) you can change between 4 different tunes that can be stored on the WAR Chip. For example you can have, a street tune, a race tune and a valet tune stored on the WAR Chip which you can choose between anytime with the TCM.
The Mini USB connector gives you endless tuning possibilities. With our WAR Chip Windows software you can custom tune your engine. Unlike traditional performance chips, the WAR Chip gives you the ability to modify your tune to suit any engine modifications you made. You will no longer have to worry about buying another traditional chip or paying for a custom tune - you can do it yourself!
WAR ROOM
- Online tuned files database
The WAR Chip doesn't stop at being the most flexible performance chip out there, it will help build a tighter BMW Performance community. With The WAR Chip opening up so many doors there is so much potential to have perfectly running high performance cars. The WAR Chip uses a special file type proprietary to Miller Performance these files can only be used in conjunction with the WAR Chip. The WAR Room will be an online data base that WAR Chip Members can browse. This online database will have a ton of different tunes to download and try. Members can also upload tunes they have successfully created to be shared by members with similar engine configurations!
The WAR Room will be a special area of the site that lets members browse files for their specific car. With details about which ECU, engine modifications and power specs, the member can download and try tunes to help speed up their tuning process. If the tune isn't quite bang on, you can always adjust it as needed so the WAR Room will help dial your tune in much faster.
The WAR Room will be exclusive to WAR Chip members. Anyone can see the files in the WAR Room and read the descriptions, but you must be a member to upload and download. The WAR Room will be one of the biggest revolutions to eurpoean performance tuning. With the ability to work together, there is no reason why any car would be left with a poor tune!
so did you ever get that chip to start your car im having to deal with the same problem...
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so i talked to miller yesterday and they told me that they are not making war chips for the m42???????...............and sorry to bump a old thread
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so i talked to miller yesterday and they told me that they are not making war chips for the m42???????...............and sorry to bump a old thread
Very true. OBD1 M42 M1.7.2 is difficult beast to tune. Ostrich is the way to go and if you need a midnight XDF contact me
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Very true. OBD1 M42 M1.7.2 is difficult beast to tune. Ostrich is the way to go and if you need a midnight XDF contact me
I thought that the M42 used M175? Or are you referring to the E36? Do you happen to know the differences between the two ECUs (E30 vs E36)? I have always been curious.
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I thought that the M42 used M175? Or are you referring to the E36? Do you happen to know the differences between the two ECUs (E30 vs E36)? I have always been curious.
e30 M42 uses Mv1.7 DME#175 and others - E36 M42 uses Mv1.7.2 DME# 282 and others
The major differences in the E36 are wasted spark, DISA and Trigger wheel. There maybe more but can't think of any at this time.
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Later M42 DMEs also have EWS, from mid-95 onward IIRC. But that can be defeated by cutting a wire from the EWS control unit and a bit of chipping, right?
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Later M42 DMEs also have EWS, from mid-95 onward IIRC. But that can be defeated by cutting a wire from the EWS control unit and a bit of chipping, right?
1995 EWS equip M42 need's EWS delete chip to defeat it. ($100 for my EWS delete chip). Cuting a wire will not work.
All the best
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Interesting. So BMW later switched to a wasted spark ignition regime on the M42, versus spark-per-cylinder? I know that the E30 M42 will go to wasted spark if the cam sensor stops functioning, but will do spark-per-cylinder otherwise. What is EWS? "Electronic wasted spark"?
What changed in the trigger wheel? Are you referring to the 60-2 tooth wheel on the crank, or the cam sensor? I know that the M44 used a different wheel on the cam.
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Interesting. So BMW later switched to a wasted spark ignition regime on the M42, versus spark-per-cylinder? I know that the E30 M42 will go to wasted spark if the cam sensor stops functioning, but will do spark-per-cylinder otherwise. What is EWS? "Electronic wasted spark"?
What changed in the trigger wheel? Are you referring to the 60-2 tooth wheel on the crank, or the cam sensor? I know that the M44 used a different wheel on the cam.
Ya the E36 M42 spark unit is just one big block of glue and 4 wires lol. EWS or IMMO is the immobilizer to prevent theft. I believe the tooth amount changed (don't quote me on that) on the E36. The spark conversion formula went from fac .75 offset -22.5 to factor .75 offset -45 on the E36 M42
All the best
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im in the process of rebuilding my turbo motor and was running stock management and just a rising rate fpu, so i am looking for a alternative to running a ms set up, so if you have anything that i can run a few different maps like the war chip then let me know
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im in the process of rebuilding my turbo motor and was running stock management and just a rising rate fpu, so i am looking for a alternative to running a ms set up, so if you have anything that i can run a few different maps like the war chip then let me know
I have what you need. contact me at midnight-tuning@rogers.com
Thanks
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I have what you need. contact me at midnight-tuning@rogers.com
Thanks
Is this something that can do away with the AFM, and use an MAF in it's place? Also looking for something that can run the stock vehicle and later be configured for F/I
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You probably need a standalone for that :)
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Swapping to a MAF takes more than re-mapping the stock ECU firmware. You can get the car to run, but a tune will usually only be valid for one air temperature (or you can fool the ECU into thinking it is one temperature all the time, but that isn't really the right way either).
You either need to go stand-alone, or a microcontroller to translate mass flow rate to volumetric flow rate on-the-fly.
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Swapping to a MAF takes more than re-mapping the stock ECU firmware. You can get the car to run, but a tune will usually only be valid for one air temperature (or you can fool the ECU into thinking it is one temperature all the time, but that isn't really the right way either).
You either need to go stand-alone, or a microcontroller to translate mass flow rate to volumetric flow rate on-the-fly.
well said :)
You don't need to swap to a MAF anyway to have a good solid running FI OBD1 M42
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can you give me more info on what you can do for me, i am going to be running a t3 turbo, on a party much stock everything else, excpt for head studs and mls gasket
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bump same setup build going on here i ned dme engine managemnt help
i wanna datalogg and learn myself just get me on the right route