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PAPER OR PLASTIC => Transaction Feedback => Topic started by: vonkamp on November 05, 2008, 09:09:53 PM
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Got some misc. switches from him. Great price and shipped right away. Great guy , thanks.
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thanks for starting a thread :D
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Got euro grills and analog clock from him, he is a great guy, a little on the lazy side like most of us, but gets the stuff out! Great price, and good product! Thanks again
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yea, i was a lazy fuck. sorry about that. UPS being gay/SNOW/newjob/broken car
no excuse to not get you your stuff though cause you paid. I got the other 1 back lol
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FYI Im matt-B now
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Bought some center caps and some of his custom shifter / ebrake boots. All awesome stuff! All shipped quickly! If you haven't bought a shift boot from him yet... please do! Quality is top notch! :D
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Matt, thanks for the shift boot. It fits perfectly and the quality is awesome.
-George
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I purchased an intake manifold from Matt-B a few weeks ago and was pretty disappointed with the transaction. Went to the forum admin and paypal before posting this, but unfortunately couldn't get anything done to fix things for me.
Not counting the fact that I waited over 2 weeks to get my part and he never gave me any kind of confirmation that it shipped, he only sent me the upper half of an intake manifold when the for sale ad listed "intake mani for sale."
His response when I received the package with only half of the manifold:
did you expect the lower intake to? sold you the intake mini only 1. i didn't make much as it was i think 16$ to send it. I have a lower Ill also sell. but both for that price is nuts. I never said both. check the pms.
intake manifold and VC is what i advertised. sorry for confusion
My response to that:
Yes, I fully expected to get both. It only makes sense that if a complete "intake manifold" includes an upper and lower section and you say that you have an "intake manifold" for sale, you're not just selling me half of it. If you were only selling the upper half it would have made sense to list is as "upper intake manifold for sale." It doesn't matter to me what it cost you to ship it... I made you an offer (and I believe I told you that I didn't have a clue what it was worth at the time) and you accepted the offer.
He fails to understand that an intake manifold should include everything between the head and the throttle body. I admit that I never asked him if both the upper and lower manifold were included, but I'm still completely new to the M42 and until disassembling my E36 M42 a few days ago had never even seen a 2-piece intake manifold, and therefore had no clue it was a question that needed to be asked.
If he is correct and this is how the m42club members denote a "manifold" or "manifolds," then the system is quite flawed. An upper half is not a complete manifold, nor is a lower half, therefore you can't argue that an upper and lower half combined equals more than one manifold... aka "manifolds" as he tried to argue with me. A listing for an "intake manifold" should include both pieces, or specify which piece it is.
Pretty disappointed that of all the people to have a problem like this with, it happened with a forum moderator...
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why be such a dick about some confusion? you can look at this from many angles and logically it's neither person's fault. and you can wish for a perfect world where every seller is dirt cheap and gives extensive detail on what he is selling but at the end of the day, it's YOU who is paying the money so it's YOU who should verify things like this.
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lol... Not sure how I'm being a dick about it. This section is for transaction feedback... I had a bad transaction with him so I'm posting feedback for others. I didn't do any name-calling or anything immature like that... that would have been being a dick. I just explained what happened so that future buyers know what to expect and know to make exactly sure of what they're buying from him.
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I just explained what happened so that future buyers know what to expect and know to make exactly sure of what they're buying from him.
This is the responsibilty of all buyers is it not? If I said hey, Im selling a manifold 20$. You ask, Hey Matt, is that both pieces? Its not hard
I explained to you, MANIFOLD.
NOT PLURAL. you didnt ask, or check on that. I dont know people that just include shit for free. Im fucking broke as hell it was like 15$ to ship that. Any you tell me, hey, I EXPECTED more to be in this box?
I advertised, as a MANIFOLD. not sure how to be more clear. There are 2 yes. But I didnt say both. There are other ads that says MANIFOLDS and there are 2. Im in the clear man. I never said 2 items, I assume people here dont expect stuff to be inclued.
Sorry, but I cant just send you more stuff for free, because you thought it should be there.
He fails to understand that an intake manifold should include everything between the head and the throttle body.
so both intakes, injectors, fuel rail, FPR, should have been included?
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I mean, if its really that big of a deal I can send it to you. its just sitting here. Just shoot me like 5$ for shipping...
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Bought a set of Smiley headlights (finally!) from Matt. I am more than a little excited about them. I meant the "finally" part because I've been searching for smilies for quite a while, not because Matt B. was slow shipping them. In fact, he was quite on the ball. Thanks Matt!
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I asked for the advice of a legal friend on this situation, just to make sure I wasn't being pissed off and therefore delusional. His response to me:
Putting the fact that I know you aside...
I would expect the for sale ad to be labeled "upper" or "lower" manifold and not just "manifold" if it was anything less than a complete IM. He did not sell you an intake manifold - he sold you a part of an intake manifold. Specifically, the upper half.
Legally speaking, it is the seller's responsibility to accurately depict the product they are selling. I would say this product was misrepresented by a lazy seller. He is in the wrong; both legally and logically.
Paypal sent...
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were you gonna sue me, hahaha?
And this is just a lower INTAKE runner. NOTHING ELSE. NO HARDWARE, NO INJECTORS
Ill ship this tomorrow If i can (friday)
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jpreston
You are a prick and do not expect anybody affiliated with m42 club to buy or sell anything to or from you..
Matt-B
I feel your reputation was NOT hindered in anyway. I do not know you like most of the members here but I know you enough to know that you know what you are talking about and I respect you. I would not send him the other half of the manifold. Otherwise he will ask for everything inside and out saying that its all part of the manifold. He's a little prick.
I have your back
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Legal advice over an intake manifold? What has this world come to....
I'm still rockin' my Matt-B shift boot and ebrake boot!
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The sad thing bluebmw is that he is right... I checked with RealOEM
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=AF93&mospid=47305&hg=11&fg=40
Clearly there is an upper and lower intake manifold
But When I here Intake manifold along with just about everyone here we think that upper body.
FYI to any buyer and seller
I would give a part number along with what you are selling. Buyers request a part number if it is not given.
I mean jpreston I understand that you thought you were getting the whole thing but even claimed you were not knowledgeable in product you were buying which makes it your fault along with Matt-B for not being specific and assuming everyone knows what he is talking about. You should have done a little research before buying. You would have seen that there is an upper and lower half. You then should have asked Matt if he is giving you both because the price was really low and did not seem right from the start.
I mean you see a 1998 car for 1000 dollars you’re not going to send the guy cash and have it shipped to your place. The car could be missing parts like the engine, tires, body etc. Well its still a car like the Manifold he sent you was a manifold. It was missing part that you did not question. The price of the car was low you need to find out why.
Matt-B
Part numbers and a little more than 4 or 5 words or maybe a picture of what you are selling. I know you have a camera
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Legal advice over an intake manifold? What has this world come to....
Not literal legal advice... simply asking the opinion of a friend that went to law school, since this is the type of stuff law school is meant to teach. I'm amazed that anyone could think I was looking to take legal action against him based on my comments...
But When I here Intake manifold along with just about everyone here we think that upper body.
Then "everyone here" is wrong. Have you all never owned a car other than an M42-powered BMW? The definition of an intake manifold should be pretty obvious to anyone that knows anything about cars, and an upper half is not a complete intake manifold. Realoem even lists the upper half and lower half as "parts." Definition of the word "part"- "an essential portion or integral element." What if I posted a for sale add for a multipiece BBS wheel and only sent someone 1 piece of the wheel, would I not be in the wrong? It's the same thing... an intake manifold is not a complete intake manifold without all of the "parts" that it needs to function as one, nor is a multipiece BBS wheel. It's really pretty simple guys.
I don't even know why I'm trying to argue any of this since the intelligent people that understand the situation see that I'm right, and the people that think I'm being a prick are just going to keep on thinking I'm a dick or a prick or whatever other names you all want to call me... I don't think my reputation has been harmed any at all.
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So, by my deduction the m42 has 2 intake manifolds, I said manifold meaning one. And Im right....so boo ya!! And you ask if we have ever owned any other cars, why the FUCK would i want to own anything besides an e30. I cant find a reason
ANYWAYS, Im going to delete this shaz after you get lower intake, that you did pay for and I thank you.
i <3 man, and nothing can change the way i feela bout you :D lol
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And, being a smart buyer, IF I were to buy some multi piece BBS wheels, Id say hey can i getmore pics?
Is that price include barrels, lips and wheel bolts for lips?
not hard. sorry i didnt specify.
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So, by my deduction the m42 has 2 intake manifolds, I said manifold meaning one. And Im right....so boo ya!! And you ask if we have ever owned any other cars, why the FUCK would i want to own anything besides an e30. I cant find a reason
ANYWAYS, Im going to delete this shaz after you get lower intake, that you did pay for and I thank you.
i <3 man, and nothing can change the way i feela bout you :D lol
Good plan dude... abuse that moderator power to keep your name clean. :rolleyes:
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my name was never tarnished. your deal is packed up and Ill send it monday. That cool?
i <3 you
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Actualy, I would have to side with Jpreston on this...
You sold an intake manifold, it takes BOTH halves to make the intake manifold. If you buy a 2 piece manifold from a manufacturer it is labeled as a manifold (singular) and comes as a set, because one part is utterly useless without the other. Should he have made sure, yes, but as a seller, you also should have clarified since you DID know it was 2 parts and even then didn't specify. You can say Jpreston should have known better, but it can also just as easily be said that you made a questionable deal. Pot meet kettle.
Jpreston said he spoke with a lawyer friend asking for clarification, he did NOT say he was looking to sue or anything else. Just saying "Hi" to a lawyer will cost you more than this transaction, and you do not need a lawyer for small claims court. Which also costs more than this transaction. Nothing wrong with asking, as you have stated yourself.
To me you did tarnish your reputation, but not because of the transaction, but how you handled the problem.
You created a stir over $5? Seriously? You could have bitten the bullet and showed how good you were and came out smelling like a rose. Had you stood up and said "You know what, we both made mistakes but I should have specified. Here, I'll send it out free..." You would have come out looking like a hero. Instead you wait to get your $5 extra bucks from the deal. Is it fair expecting the shipping? Yes, but is it smart from a business standpoint? No.
I do not expect to see this discussion disappear. You had a dispute it was resolved. Others need to know HOW it was resolved. The Sell/Swap is a contract between two buyers, the site only facilitates the communication. We do not moderate it or anything else except facilitating communications, same as if you called on the phone to each other. Would you expect the phone company to be able to help? Nope. If you delete these posts you are moderating and controlling the transactions and therefore putting this site and me at risk.
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Dude, i had no $ to send it. Bottom line. and there are 2 part #s so 2 intakes. who the hell buys the lower intake?
any $ i make, goes out of my PP right away an pays what ever is past due.
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Hey Matt do you have alloy center caps for the e30 basketweave? On the way to the beach one of mine fell off and I need anouther one. If you have one great how much and if you have 4 how much for all 4?
Also matt Sheepdog is right Intake manifold is the whole thing not just the top. You should have provided the part number at the start. But its done and over He got what he wanted, you and he along with us all have learned a value able lession
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sure have.
I just sold all my 4 caps i had as spares, so sorry I dont got them anymo' :(
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oh, and I sent the intake tonight. leaving tomorrow. going UPS man.
i think it was 50 50 on the debacle. No hard feelings
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Dang alright man thanks.