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DISCUSSION => Swaps, Turbos, Buildups => Topic started by: kowalski on April 05, 2006, 01:52:26 PM
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some of the prices are just a guess, feel free to help me make adjustments to it so i can get it more accurate
2.1L M42
Crank - $300 (Total =$800?)
o Machine work
o Knife edge
Lighten
o Bearings ($100)
Rods ($400)
o Bearings ($40)
Pistons ($400)
Oil pump ($350)
Timing chain 65$ (total = $275)
o Tensioner $30
o Tensioner guard $100 (needed?)
o Guid rail $60
o Gaskets $20
Intake ($1,000)
Exhaust manifold ($500)
Turbo & piping ($800)
Blow off valve ($150)
Intercooler ($300)
Fuel injectors ($150)
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator ($80)
Head work ($700)
o Valves ($100)
o Lifters (solid) ($300
o Cams ($350)
Custom dampener ($300)
Clutch ($400)
Flywheel ($400)
Engine management ($600)
Dyno tuning ($300)
325 rear end ($250)
Total: $9,345
i know im missing most of the gaskets, a top end gasket kit is about 150$ or so, but i'm probably gona need a thicker custom headgasket made. and various other gaskets, please no outragous comments, i'm not sure on quite a few of these prices. feel free to throw in your input.
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Man, someone has to start mass producing these 2.1 conversions so that the mechanically challenged people, such as myself, can just whip out the credit card and buy it witout worring about whether or not I got eveything I need.
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hahaha, well ill do a full list of whats needed once im done. however it might not be done for a while seeing as its a fairly expensive little project and im a student... so it dependson whether or not i can get the job i'm trying for for the summer, if i do it will be finished by the end of summer, if not, well then ill have to rely on discounts and get as much done as possible.. i take charitable donations as well:)
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Total: $9,345
wow.
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Total: $9,345
wow.
yeah, i priced everything high... most of the stuff i can get a pretty hefty discount on, so it should come out to about 7 grand, maybe less.. i hope... im sure it will be well worth it once im done tho:D
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wow looks nice, btw do you know about how much USD that is?
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about 7,750, remember most of these prices are a little higher then what you could get them for, but with the added unexpected expenses it will probably even out. if you can become friends with some machinests and your local parts store, then prices drop significantly... i got 40% off at my local parts store, and a decent discount of machine work. ill post up a completed total if i complete it by the end of summer...
edit: how much did you get all your turbo stuff for?
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well so far I've only spent like 350ish and all I need still is a exhaust manifold and ign retard. Not to mention the piping. If you take your time you can get amazing deals, its deff worth it to take a while to collect all the parts.
edit: opps forgot I may need a wastegate also. But I might sell my garrett t3 for something bigger, haha, so another one may or may not come w/ an internal wastegate. Although external is better.
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yeah, well most of the money is going to be spent building the bottom end, and top end. individual throttle bodies, custom pullies and solid lifters so i can raise my redline. crank machining, tons of head work. turboing in and of itself is fairly cheap
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$7k is just do much,,,
$2k turbo setup will yet your car,, sorry
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pricing it high= smart. Things always wind up costing more than you think. Any way you look at it, $7k is a heck of a lot for a car that's probably worth ~3,000. A real eye opener into the true cost of one of these projects, for sure.
Brian
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pricing it high= smart. Things always wind up costing more than you think. Any way you look at it, $7k is a heck of a lot for a car that's probably worth ~3,000. A real eye opener into the true cost of one of these projects, for sure.
Brian
7,000 canadian, the car is worth 8-9,000 up here. plus i don't plan on selling the car, i really enjoy driving it, and i figure i could spend 20 grand, and buy a new car. or i could spend another 10 or so, get this car to be way faster then any 20,000$ car that i could buy, and it would like it way more, and it would be original. plus i can do all my own work on this car, where as a new car i'd just be screwd.
but yeah, at first thought i thought it could be done for 5 grand or so... but after doing some calculations its way higher.
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http://bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452595&page=2&highlight=m42
http://www.neukin.com/bmwmanifolds.html
i'm just putting this here so i dont loose it. feel free to check it out 600hp m42 @ 34 lb's of boost
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also a little update:
my brother got approved for his machines hes buying so hes going to make me my crank pully/dampener and my rods. that should bring the cost down significantly and if anyone else wants a dampener as well he'd be more then willing to make a couple of them... so let me know
edit: also my friends a HD mechanic and he can get my crank ground and worked on for free. and also machine any flat surface. so those right there have probably dropped close to a grand off total cost...:)
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$7k is just do much,,,
$2k turbo setup will yet your car,, sorry
out of curriosity what exactly does this mean...?
a turbo settup will always cost you more then $2,000 for an m42 as you have to get a custom intake, custom exhuast, turbo, and intercooler, and a management system of some sort, and tuning. that right there will put you over 2 grand. and remember people this is canadian dollars!!!
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Engine management system : $350 (SMT6 User kit) you can run added injectors with this the respond to boost, so more boost more opening time, also ignition control wich is boost dependent, this is piggyback so no need for dyno time to tune, just get a Wideband controller as well.
The TIC system is $620.
Zeitronix Wideband controller : $279,
This will allow you to monitor
TPS, RPM, Lambda, AFR, spend more and you can monitor EGT and MAP.
This covers engine control side of things,
For a turbo manifold you can have any exhaust shop do a adapter for your
choice of turbo,
Then find your self a decently sized intercooler
Turbo that will be sufficient,
"3 exhaust
I guess we are looking at $3k US dollars and HP output running 10 psi ~ 270 or cirka something like that,
If you bust you engine you can buy another used one for little money and toss that in there,
Don΄t get me wrong, I΄m not agains strokers or NA power, but if you are doing this based on HP / $ then turbo always wins,
I have a busted S50B30 Euro in my garage,
10psi on that = 500+ ;) , but I΄m not going to rebuild it FI but NA
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WOW!!!
(http://www.pure-pf.com/kihltech/DSC_0914.JPG)
600 hp M42 @ 34 psi with PT67 turbo.
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im not boilding a NA engine, its going to be FI i just want the extra displacement, and also the comfort knowing its a rebuilt bottom end, also i want the tolerances tightend up.
and for a good turbo settup you would need a new set of cams but other then that that sounds like a pretty good settup. i was speaking with my friend the other day and he brought up super chargers... this seems like a much more cost effective route with a whole lot less headache and a more reliable settup. i wouldn't need all the extra piping, no custom exhaust manifold or intercooler. no worries about mounting it and plumbing it. instant power, no lag... sure buying a supercharger outright is like 2 grand, but after that its just a custome intake some injectors and an managment system. what doy ou guys think? as far as i found the only negatives with a SC is that the peak power of a sc isn't as high as a turbo, but im not going to be running 34 psi like somone... ahh soo much to think about... i'm gona go later this week to see if i can't find a shop that specializes in sc's and see if they have anything that i can adapt.
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I might want a dampener depending on price.
why are you having other rods made?
drysump?
and get all the gears and stuff for the timing too. There is even an updated version for the cam ones
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somehow I thought this was to be a NA engine, but
since it΄s going to be FI anyway then obviously getting quality parts is smart,
I vote getting the engine management in first, it will make all tuning and mods later alot easier,
why other cams?
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somehow I thought this was to be a NA engine, but
since it΄s going to be FI anyway then obviously getting quality parts is smart,
I vote getting the engine management in first, it will make all tuning and mods later alot easier,
why other cams?
different cams are used for turbo motors then for FI motors, and a cam can make all the difference in the power that you make.
i will be building the engine on a seperate block in the garadge so i can drive my car while im building the engine. i have extra sproket gears already so i will just use those. i'm having other rods made because they need to be shorter then the ones in the engine right now because the stroke on the crank is going to be longer. and as for the price on the pulley i will be able to let you know after my brother makes me one.
edit: as for drysump i'm not really sure... it depends on the prices of everything else as time progresses. if i end up spending less money then i will have some left over for other modds so we'll see what happens.
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You don΄t NEED different cams but they obviously can change the power
output alot, and the feel of the motor.
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exactly, and i'm trying to get as much power out of it as possible without pumping too much boost through it. I also know the guy who grings me the cams so it saves a little money. and i want to do everything inside the engine the first time arround so i don't have to rip it appart again.
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i visted a local shop that specializes in forced induction, turns out they also have they're own standalone management system, microtech (http://www.microtechefi.com) they've got some pretty crazy stuff there... a 1.3L putting out 800bhp, 710 at the wheels...
so i was talking with him for a bit and he said with the stroker motor he expects to be seeing 550hp out of it, thats daily driven, and reliable.
their systems look a lot tidier and easier then megasquirt... but they're also a little more money.
edit: one of the guys that works there dail drives a 350hp 1.3L with stock internals.
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hahahaha 550 thats so fucking crazy and awsome. I will definatly be doing this in the next several years
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well i'm going to be hearing back later this week about whether or not i get the job i'm aiming for which will provide me with ample funds for this project... but its looking very promising so far! which means this baby could be done in 4 months or so:)
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Instead of shorter rods I would order custom pistons with a higher pin location. You want the rods as long as possible to maintain a good rod ratio.
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Instead of shorter rods I would order custom pistons with a higher pin location. You want the rods as long as possible to maintain a good rod ratio.
yeah that would make a whole lot more sense... thanks, i'm open to any more input anoyone has.