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DISCUSSION => Swaps, Turbos, Buildups => Topic started by: jakeb on August 16, 2012, 07:33:27 PM

Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on August 16, 2012, 07:33:27 PM: I wanted to gauge interest in a bolt on turbo kit for the m42. I recently finished a m42 turbo swap into a 2002 and helped my buddy turbo his m42 swapped e21. I have an e30 at my disposal that I could mock up a turbo kit in.... The kit would be based around a low boost setup, about 9psi. Using bigger injectors and a retuned DME. The reason to keep the stock DME is that it will start, run, and drive like stock other than when you get on it.

Kit would include everything you need including - turbo, oil feed/return, downpipe, intercooler w/brackets, IC piping, IC couplers/clamps, 42lb injectors, by pass valve, tuned chip.

I am still working out the kit price but right now it is looking like around $1700.

This kit would not include any gauges...a boost gauge and wideband could be added at additional cost. I am talking with a wideband company about a discounted rate for a controller and gauge.

I am finishing another swap right now but could see the turbo kit happening before Christmas.

Here are a couple videos of my friends car. This was also on a rough tune I did just so he could get it running and driving. We have tuned it more since the videos and it is much quicker. Power is smooth...without a big boost kick.

I'm not sure how to insert youtube videos in a post on m42 club....so here are links

http://youtu.be/JJecfkmDilk

http://youtu.be/eP20dvOq8jQ

Overhead shot on the 2002 swap
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Overhead shot of the e21...pic was without the downpipe.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/cornstar43/fd2480e5.jpg)

Manifold from the e21 - 4-2-1 done because of space constraints.

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Manifold on the 2002 (has external wastegate due to space constraints. E30 kit would be internal wastegate for simplicity/cost.

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If you are interested or have questions post or send a PM.

thanks
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Grizo on September 03, 2012, 03:23:08 PM: Hey, first post here, but have been lurking for a while. Idk why no one has posted on this yet but I would be very interested in a kit. Keep us posted on it!
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: s0xt0r on September 04, 2012, 06:34:21 AM: ^ What this wise human said.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: YellowLTD on September 04, 2012, 08:07:01 PM: I may also be interested, I've got lots of other things to do first but down the road absolutely. You would want to add a COP kit to that list. If you can make a decent manifold that's sturdy and fits well, you will definitely get customers, if not for a whole kit, then at least for a manifold.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: CBS318 on September 10, 2012, 02:07:36 AM: Where are you at now with the kit i been looking for awhile and this is the type of power and setup i want hope you finish this
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on September 25, 2012, 08:33:47 PM: Hey guys....I am still planning on making the kit. Coil on plugs will be an option as well but not included in the base kit as some people might already have them.

I have been helping a buddy with his turbo m42 e21 recently. I made the manifold and did the tune. We adjusted the tune a bit more last night and it is ridiculously quick. Enough power to break traction if you just lay into it....rolling in 2nd.

I am shooting to make the kits around Christmas time...the more people that commit at the first set of kits the lower I can bring the price.

Send me a PM if you want any more info or post in this thread.

thanks,
Jake

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http://www.classicdaily.net
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: JRYE30 on September 26, 2012, 12:06:01 AM: Did you dyno his e21? What kind of numbers is this running?
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on September 26, 2012, 05:41:08 AM: We have not dynoed it yet. We are planning to but not sure if it will happen before winter hits or not.

He did get an iphone app that can do 0-60 and it came back with 6.4secs
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Nick_318is on September 27, 2012, 10:00:50 AM: I'd Love to know what kind of numbers it would make. I'd be interested but I just bought a house and am hemorrhaging money so I don't think it's in the budget this year. Where in MI are you?
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on September 27, 2012, 07:12:25 PM: I am up in Bay City. My buddy with the e21 is going to be at the kettering uni autocross in a couple weeks if you want to check out his car.

A very short video from tuning on tuesday. Turn up the volume. His interior is pretty much stripped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__IX-mc9MWs&feature=g-upl
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: SonomaGTLN2 on October 05, 2012, 06:20:52 PM: Hey guys! The E21 Jake's referring to is mine. We still have to get on the dyno to really narrow in on the tune, but for now its quick as hell. I had to port the wastegate because we were getting boost creep but thats been solved now. Exhaust is 2.5" thru an aero resonator and magnaflow muffler. Ill take a few videos at the autocross, though with my worn out Azenis it will probably want to break loose more than stay planted...either way, the power finally matches the handling of my car (GC coilovers in billie sports). Ill post more up here as i get more footage.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: beta14ok on October 22, 2012, 09:53:53 AM: Interested.

Wanna see the dyno and management optimizations, but a plu-n-play, low boost, turbo kit sounds good.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: 2002Harv on November 05, 2012, 09:08:08 PM: Hmmmm.

How are you tuning?

John
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on November 10, 2012, 09:06:26 PM: Tuning the stock motronic with a ostrich2.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on November 10, 2012, 09:06:56 PM: Currently working out prices but it is looking like $1700 is going to be the price plus shipping. There will be a couple of available options that would make the price go up slightly. Manifold coating, intercooler piping coating, included wideband.

Planning to build the first kit around Christmas time.
I will need $500 down if you want in and the rest before I start building the kits.

If 5 or more people get in I am hoping to get some quantity discounts and will pass along the savings to everyone buying a kit.

Here are a couple videos from my buddies e21 at an autocross today. The kit will be pretty much exactly like what is on his car. The tune will be the tune that we have spent many hours tuning on his car. Did a little bit more adjusting this week to make sure cold start is working as it should. He has been beating the piss out of his car and all is holding up GREAT.

[youtube]McwdORzNJXo[/youtube]

[youtube]DqD60H7Nz6w[/youtube]

I will be sending out PMs to those that either said they were interested or had PMd me before in the next couple days. But please if you are planning on getting a kit please send me a PM so I can start a list and get things moving forward.

thanks!
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: fumstoo on November 10, 2012, 11:14:47 PM: I really hope some people do this. we need more m42 turbos running around
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: 2002Harv on November 23, 2012, 03:23:12 PM: Neet.

John
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Wiker Man on November 26, 2012, 04:58:21 AM: Not bad, Not bad :) I might be interested, I had a few questions though

Will this properly fit a e36 M42? Rough Estimate, How much power does this make? If I am right a e36 M42 makes around 160 HP, The car drives like a dream but it can be pretty slow, even the 6 cyl versions (non M3 of course) :) How many ponies dow this add? What Turbo and Intercooler are you using, perhaps it would be much better if you sold it without the turbo and intercooler to save on the shipping costs, leaving it up on the buyer to but the two parts locally.

I have always been a fan of Whine from Superchargers, At $1700 the price is not at all bad, But why dont you instead make a Supercharger Kit using Toyota or Mini Superchargers? Toyota SC12 and SC14 and very good chargers that and readily available everywhere. They are Cheap too..Could you fab a SC14 Kit for these things? You know we buy the charger locally but all the other stuff from you. The Supercharger kit will mainly consist of a Mounting hardware, which a lot of us might be able to reuse if we ever upgrade to a 6 cyl bmw(just saying), Besides I have an Automatic, so a Supercharger seems to be the better option then a Turbo that kicks in after 4K, while the charger will start whining at low 1000 RPM's

Just listen to the whine, how awesom would it be if it was coming out of a bmw m42...:cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxtprlsOBdo
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: fumstoo on November 27, 2012, 12:22:08 AM: Quote from: Wiker Man;118018
If I am right a e36 M42 makes around 160 HP

Noooooo.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Wiker Man on November 28, 2012, 03:36:25 PM: Quote from: fumstoo;118034
Noooooo.

:D. Just checked Wikipedia, my bad, it says 103 kW at 6,000 so more like 130-140HP. And after 20 years, more like 80HP :p
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: fumstoo on November 28, 2012, 10:28:18 PM: When i was all stock id race the occasional honda. no one believed me when id say i had MAYBE 100whp.

Back on topic. m42+boost=wuv

Any news jake?
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on December 07, 2012, 12:29:39 PM: Sounds like this is being put on hold as no one has said yes I want one and put down any money. I still want to do it but it is looking like closer to spring. All depending on if anyone says yes sign me up, 100%.

This kit will not be for the e36...only e30 at this time.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on December 12, 2012, 12:26:18 PM: One person put down a deposit so the kit will go into production early in 2013 or maybe slightly before. I will update this thread with details as the kit is built.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on January 18, 2013, 10:53:33 AM: M42 is in the parts car...
starting to figure out turbo placement...I need to get some pipe to make the collector before I actually set it in it's final spot.

Coils will have to move to the battery tray or a coil on plug conversion.
pictures
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I have to pull out an old AC line so I can make sure the downpipe and outlet clears that. Turbo might have to move a bit so that will clear.

If anyone have a really good picture of that area that would be helpful.

Starting to set the intercooler in there... I am going to make the mounts adjustable so those that are running AC can slide it out a little bit. The stock AC pusher fan will not fit. You will need to use something a bit slimmer. People that are not running AC can push it up closer to the radiator.

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Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on January 18, 2013, 06:15:30 PM: Thanks for the pics that helps! No the wastegate housing it what came with this turbo.

I wasn't able to find my old AC lines...might have tossed them. But I will keep looking.... Also by keeping the turbo close to the engine it will give room for the AC lines. Might be a good idea to wrap the lines.

A little more done....
Intercooler mounted (mount is temp...other mount below.)
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The charge pipes will go under the high beams. Brackets will need to be cut slightly.
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Haven't tested it yet but this is the intercooler mounts. Slotted so it can be moved in and out depending on if you want to keep AC or not.
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upper bracket
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Bracket will bolt under where the bumper mounts too...
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The two closer holes
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Debating where to put the AFM....let me know if you guys have a preference. I would rather put it on the passenger side as it makes packaging a bit nicer. I would include an extension in the kit.

Somewhere over here..
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Or maybe not even that deep in there....just straight off the turbo with a small air cleaner right behind the high beam. Could always pull the high beam for more air flow.

Otherwise it can come across the engine and be in about the same location as stock....
Over here...
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How the downpipe will go......Vband at the turbo...2.5" down with a mandrel 90 and another mandrel 90 under the car. Would you all rather have a wide band bung up top or down below?
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Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on January 19, 2013, 05:30:37 PM: I am keeping the turbo as low as possible.

Intercooler mounted...the brackets need to change slightly but work as it is now. Just want to make it a bit cleaner.
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How the bottom bracket mounts...there will be two bolts but this was just for testing.
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Upper bracket
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Coming off the intercooler..
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Other side... pipe connected is just got mock up. Something I had laying around. Finished product with be mandrel bent
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up to the throttle body
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Downpipe will clear the AC hard line
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Start of the collector...this is a 4-1...we wil see if it fits. Might have to be a 2-1 and cylinders 1-3 and 2-4 combine pre collector.

Start with four pieces of pipe
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Spends a little time on the band saw
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Cleaned up on the belt sander
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4 pipes all cut...insides still need to be deburred.
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Then all together...just holding with my hand, not welded yet.
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Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: ///MLIFE on January 21, 2013, 04:35:56 AM: I love the turbo kits, it would be so much easier to buy a complete set up. I'm doing a rebuild now but i'd love one of these if not by summer. GLWS
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: kenavery7 on February 13, 2013, 11:08:29 AM: subscribed and interested!
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: wazzu70 on February 13, 2013, 03:38:02 PM: Interested to see how it all works out. This will be a nice low buget option for people!
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: dirty30 on February 14, 2013, 07:20:40 PM: Would love to see the finished product, and am definitely interested. I will be subscribing.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on February 22, 2013, 07:49:35 PM: Some progress on the manifold. Trying to make it so it is VERY tight to the engine to allow for AC room and also easy to reproduce.

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routing for cylinder 2
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routing for cylinder 4
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I am still not 100% sure on how 1 and 3 will look....
Either cut this T and place in here
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Or put the T here...
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Runner 3 will then loop up and over #2

I will fully make runner 2...tacked all up. Then work on #1.
I wasn't very sure how I was going to route everything but this setup should work well.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on February 23, 2013, 03:38:18 PM: More work done on the manifold. Entire thing is tacked today. Needs to be sandblasted...and fully welded.

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sorta out of focus but just to show how tight everything is tucked in.

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Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: beta14ok on February 23, 2013, 03:49:16 PM: Cool! ...........very Mad-Max...me like.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: romkasponka on February 23, 2013, 05:31:50 PM: Very bad design...
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Vivek on February 24, 2013, 04:53:06 PM: Quote from: romkasponka;120411
Very bad design...

Why?
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: romkasponka on February 24, 2013, 06:01:11 PM: Because of the way how tubes are connected. In case you cannot make equal length tubes it would be much better to connect them like he was trying before... Another thing you should look at what turbo you will use because for twin scroll turbo manifold should be different configuration.

Something like this http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=153442 but better with equal length tubes.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: beta14ok on February 24, 2013, 08:29:13 PM: Does it matter so much if the Boost limit is 7-9psi?

There have been some successful low boost builds with non-equal length tubes including just a single tube "log manifold". I thought the target here was ~190hp at a low boost limit. I kinda like the chopped & sealed M50 turbo manifold, but there have been probls w/ the build quality aparently.

I'm just learning about such things........... but from what I'm reading, if you want 200+HP and 10+PSI, then equal length joined at a central coupler sounds right.......if lower boost, then it may not matter so much.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Vivek on February 24, 2013, 08:54:43 PM: So does this mean that the manifold will limit the boost pressure and maximum power? I'd be interested in Jake's comments on it.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: romkasponka on February 25, 2013, 12:17:57 AM: I think it will affect spool up time and engine output.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on February 26, 2013, 07:19:29 PM: I built a manifold almost exactly like this for my buddies e21...
Here is a picture of it.
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The manifold on the e21 is not using Ts like the one I made above but the routing of the runners is the same. The e21 is running the same turbo as well. It spools VERY fast and holds 8-9psi all the way to the rev limiter.

I would have preferred to build a 4-1 manifold but one aspect of this kit is to keep AC and not have to dent in the fender well for turbo clearance. There was no room to fit a 4-1 collector as two of the runners would be going directly into the frame rail.

Another reason to use this manifold is the tune is based around a setup with this same manifold.
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on February 26, 2013, 07:52:41 PM: The manifold is just about all welded up.

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Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: wazzu70 on February 26, 2013, 09:19:29 PM: Quote from: romkasponka;120434
Because of the way how tubes are connected. In case you cannot make equal length tubes it would be much better to connect them like he was trying before... Another thing you should look at what turbo you will use because for twin scroll turbo manifold should be different configuration.

Something like this http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=153442 but better with equal length tubes.

Thats almost exactly what I said on R3V. At that point, just go with a log manifold and save yourself the complexity! I really don't think there is much to gain by making the 4-2-1 like that because the 4-2 connections are at 90deg. At least angle them to merge them!
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on March 27, 2013, 12:56:27 PM: Loosely put together on an engine on a stand..

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By pass valve
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Oil return fitting...this fitting has an O-ring and nut for the inside. Kit will come with the drill bit to drill a hold in the pan. This would be a good time to drop the lower pan and make sure there are no loose bolts holding the upper pan on...commong m42 issue.
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Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: unevolved on March 27, 2013, 03:18:04 PM: Quote from: wazzu70 on February 26, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: romkasponka;120434
Because of the way how tubes are connected. In case you cannot make equal length tubes it would be much better to connect them like he was trying before... Another thing you should look at what turbo you will use because for twin scroll turbo manifold should be different configuration.

Something like this http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=153442 (http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=153442) but better with equal length tubes.

Thats almost exactly what I said on R3V. At that point, just go with a log manifold and save yourself the complexity! I really don't think there is much to gain by making the 4-2-1 like that because the 4-2 connections are at 90deg. At least angle them to merge them!

Can you find a log manifold that's readily available and clears AC?

Also, OP, you may want to reconsider that bulkhead fitting for the oil return line. I've had those fail, no matter how much locktite or elbow grease you put, it'll eventually leak. No replacement for a welded fitting, and it'll cost you like $20 at a weld shop if you can't TIG aluminum (I sure as hell can't).
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: romkasponka on March 27, 2013, 05:01:16 PM: Return line fitting should be above oil level.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: ShoutOut on April 10, 2013, 05:36:05 PM: Jake this looks awesome.

I track my 318is at Summit Point, NJMP, and VIR. The car is great but lacks power, duh. I'm VERY interested in this kit. My main concern is reliability. I've read where some forced induction system have problems running lean. AutoX is one thing but a 30 minute session of taching out the gears is another. The M42 lacks power but it makes it up in reliability. It will stay at redline all day at the track and then drive you 4 hours home.

This is my car at VIR. Coming out of Oak Tree I lost all my momentum which is very frustrating >:(. https://vimeo.com/63205881 (https://vimeo.com/63205881)

If you think your kit and tune will hold up, I'm in.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: jakeb on June 29, 2013, 07:05:58 AM: I always forget I have this thread here too.... Either way kits are in production. Two more about ready to go out. Here are some pictures...

Intercooler brackets pre powder coat. (one extra here...)
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Manifolds all tacked together
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Box full of hardware...silicone couplers, injectors, bpv, etc etc
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Aluminum IC pipes in progress
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Everyone likes pictures so here are some more....IC pipes all coated with couples, etc
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COP kit...
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Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: The Collector on June 29, 2013, 10:41:49 AM: How much are these kits
Title: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Eyecmonsters on July 16, 2013, 04:38:01 PM: I want one! Now. Contact me! I made this account just so I could get intouch with you!
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: BimmerJones on August 22, 2013, 02:21:32 PM: Hey guys, I have purchased this kit and the car is up and running! I have to say first that JakeB is an awesome guy to work with, he has helped me every step of the way, with installation and trouble shooting little miscellaneous issues. Now to the kit, quality of all the pieces is fantastic, all the welds look great on the manifold and downpipe. I had some issues from user error installing the injectors and when I let Jake know what was going on he sent me a new set just in case. First impressions with driving the car... It is amazing. The power is just incredible especially after 4,000 rpms, so much torque! It really throws you back in your seat and it has made me fall in love with my e30 all over again. I can't wait to install a fresh head gasket with arp studs and crank up the boost! It the form it's in now, I bolted this kit on to a stock 165k mile motor and it seems to be loving it. I'm walking stock e46 m3's and driving the car is just an absolute blast. I was originally going to buy another e30 to drive daily but this car is so much fun I couldn't imagine not driving it everyday. I can't stress enough how great of a seller Jake has been to work with and he hasn't shrunk or disappeared at any issue and is continuing to help me out on a daily basis. Anyone on the fence thinking about it, I'm telling you from experience, just go for it. I'll post pictures asap and continue to let you guys know what is happening but it is by far and above the most fun car I have every driven and the power finally matches the handling characteristics of this lovely machine BMW made.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: The Collector on August 22, 2013, 02:38:19 PM: How hard and how much did it cost you. All together.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: The Collector on August 22, 2013, 02:43:12 PM: My 318is is wanting this so much!
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: BimmerJones on August 22, 2013, 03:07:05 PM: Not hard, just time consuming. The exhaust manifold is tough to get on and off, because of the way the engine is tilted. Everything else is pretty simple. I deleted my a/c because it wasn't working that well anyway and I figured the weight savings would equal out what everything else would add. You need to have a dremel or a way to trim some things. Some basic experience is all I had, the most complicated job I've done is a cooling system overhaul. So if I can do it on jack stands in my buddies garage you can do it. I think the total cost with all the trips to the auto store, the wideband and boost gauge, aluminum intercooler piping powdercoated black, cermaic coated exhaust manifold, turbo and downpipe came out to right about $2,300. The base kit is $1,700 and with my extras it was about $1,900.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: The Collector on August 22, 2013, 04:41:36 PM: I am redoing the motor in mine. After 300thousand the rings were a leaky. On cylinder 4. So I wanna do the turbo swap. I'd like to see pictures if you can.:)
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: partner103 on August 19, 2014, 04:56:46 PM: I will definitely be in touch on this.... question is, M42 with 250 kms... does it worth turbocharging?
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Tgoode318 on August 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM: You should do a compression & leak down test on the engine to answer that question. You can probably get away with this kit as its very low boost if your numbers are good. But with that many miles on the engine it will only be a matter of time before you have to rebuild, so be ready and make sure your $$ is right! People often times put all their money in the turbo setup only to have the engine blow later.

Btw i have contacted jakeb once a couple of months ago and he never answered me back.
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: wazzu70 on August 20, 2014, 11:31:35 AM: Quote from: Tgoode318 on August 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM
You should do a compression & leak down test on the engine to answer that question. You can probably get away with this kit as its very low boost if your numbers are good. But with that many miles on the engine it will only be a matter of time before you have to rebuild, so be ready and make sure your $$ is right! People often times put all their money in the turbo setup only to have the engine blow later.

Btw i have contacted jakeb once a couple of months ago and he never answered me back.

Great advice. A leakdown test is simple and will answer your questions pretty thoroughly :)
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: Nick_318is on August 21, 2014, 10:27:36 AM: Quote from: Tgoode318 on August 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM
Btw i have contacted jakeb once a couple of months ago and he never answered me back.

From what I hear he is very responsive, maybe not from a PM, try e-mailing jake at classicdaily.net
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Post by: namzat18 on August 21, 2014, 01:43:04 PM: Id buy in a heart beat
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Post by: lahondal@hotmail.es on August 28, 2014, 10:12:11 AM: Me too, if were available for E36...
Title: Re: Interest in Bolt on Turbo kit?
Post by: SkidMark on September 05, 2014, 11:39:32 PM: Just wanted to say Jake is a great guy!! He helped me via email with the wiring on my m42 swap. He is super knowledgeable and always responded to my emails. Hats off to you Jake your turbo kit looks amazing!! Just wish you would make a kit for e36 m42's!! Almost makes me want to convert my e36 m42 to e30 manifolds and dme so I can run it! Skid