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DISCUSSION => Swaps, Turbos, Buildups => Topic started by: JohnHenryE30 on March 02, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
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This is my first turbo project... Feel free to chime in with any helpful turbo mod or hardware delete information.
collected material for A-frame( I am not rich:))
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The electric winch:
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Yes I am a member of the Inside Track Club and aware a cherry picker is only 169 bucks... But I am working on the dirt and I liked making the A-frame very much.
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The A-frame build:
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A- frame build- further:
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A- frame build- further progress:
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A-frame, more further progress:
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Just so no wondering... The pictures will get better, already have a lot more, but trying to get posts up so I can paste direct pictures instead of links... I am not building the M42, just pulled the original running fine still at 240,000 miles... I purchased a M42B18 out of a 1993 BMW with only 93,000 miles on it(it was a salvage yard buy). I hope to boost starting 4-6 psi safely for a start. I have what seems to be a growing purchase list of parts that I will post pictures of later... My turbo stuff is mostly God Speed, and AEM, and I have new flow tested 660cc injectors with a 255 fuel pump. I am new to this type of modification, a huge step forward after plenty of engine, and transmission swaps, along with bolt on mods to many kinds of used older vehicles...
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Where in Texas are you? Looks like your A-frame build is coming along.
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Where in Texas are you? Looks like your A-frame build is coming along.
Near LBK--Texas Tech
Thank you sir!!! Its done and pics of engine pull are coming now...
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Oh man you are way out in West Texas! Can't wait to see pictures of that either. If it's not too much trouble let me know if you run into any snags. I will be pulling a parts car engine out in a few weeks.
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660cc injectors:
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Hate all the coolant line...bah!
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Intake,tb, and other will get painted later... kinda getting squeezed because tomorrow is stainless 3" full exhaust fitting install day...
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BTW, that steel bracket with the hole in it between the cam cover breather hose and the top of the oil filter is an engine hoist point. Try hooking up there for easy engine removal.
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BTW, that steel bracket with the hole in it between the cam cover breather hose and the top of the oil filter is an engine hoist point. Try hooking up there for easy engine removal.
This is not my first "rodeo" sir, just my first turbo mod... I am aware of all the book rules... call me a violator if you wish, but sometimes its okay to bend the rules. I only did what's seen because I had to.
*****note: I am not the first owner, had this baby since Christmas 2011. The engine pulled had 240,000k but still functional with minor usual tick tack sounds. It did have a bad timing cover profile gasket... slow leakin'
I enjoy building and thinking outside of the box.
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Not sure where your rodeo comment came from... I was not commenting on your ability to build, but assumed that you must have missed that as a pick up point based on how you wrapped the cable around the engine in one case and bolted something else on in the other. Seems like a lot more work that could damage the valve cover, intake manifold, etc.
I've done this more than the average number of times, and was just offering a suggestion. Good luck with the build.
If you want some info on what's been done, here are some links:
http://www.hqautosport.com/
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=698624
http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9663
http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6175
If you're looking for details on the components, check here (dyno chart too)
http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14590
Still have the complete bottom end with the M47 stroker crank and 8.5:1 pistons
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Rob, I apologize... Sorry. It felt like you were speaking down to me like I was a complete noob... So I did get a little defensive instinctively. I appreciate all your help, as well as others!!! Thank you for trying to steer me the right direction. I will come clean up front, I have never rebuilt an engine other than small engines(lawn mower types). I have never turbo charge modded either, as stated. I have seen all other aspects except custom tuning--not chipping or using a pre-programmed hand-held(did those on other kinds of vehicles).
Thank you kindly!
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Update: I have been given today as a father/son day... My dad is a dairy serviceman, handling vacuum pumps,electrical, plumbing, and a lot of stainless steel welding,etc... He knows this car is my keeper--->finally. lol! I asked for his help, and he's coming out today to modify the turbo header so it will fit the M42B18(extend it on all four paths about one inch). Also, he's bringing three inch stainless for the complete exhaust... Pictures will come later or maybe tomorrow. We plan on using every hour available today.
I am aiming for the short term, only 4-6 psi until I can get the A/F ratio correct for higher boost(whatever a 93' BMW's M42B18 can handle). I could use all helpful knowledge available there.
Rob, I am very impressed with your builds, your definitely doing big things!!!
Thank you!!!!
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Woke up out of sleep with a uneasy feeling... got pics of the completed 3 inch exhaust, but back to the engine swap, I need help from someone here who hopefully will bless me with the info. Is it okay to unbolt the turbo and clock it down on its own exhaust flange??? Never turbo charged or taken one apart, just know its bearings, and fan like blades dealing with forced induction properties...
The m42b18 I was swapping is from a 93' BMW 318, and mine is a 1991... I already switched the intakes, but have to switch the oil pans as well due to clearance issues with the cross member. The dip stick on my original is located up front and the 93's is on the side along with oil pan design having the drain plug area moved as well... Is this possible, or am I attempting something that is not as easy as swapping these things???
Here's my turbo sorta setup:
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The completed 3 inch stainless exhaust...
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Yes you can clock the turbo. You'll need a new oil pan and pickup. Not sure about the dipstick and tube.
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Yes you can clock the turbo. You'll need a new oil pan and pickup. Not sure about the dipstick and tube.
I have the oil pan from the original m42b18 that I pulled, do you think it may work on the 2 year newer engine?
Good to know on the turbo.
Thank you!!!!
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more pics of my dad doing magic:
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fly wheel and clutches and pressure plates removed from both engines and compared for best to use
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the m42b18 from the 93' BMW after oil pan removed:
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Big thanks to all that have, and will still help me on this journey...To my friend KC, I appreciate the schoolin' when I asked about compression ratio!!! The fact of a compression ratio 10:1, high boost will definitely not be available until I can get further along with my experience rebuilding. Dome pistons are one way, along with strength increased through forged parts... still learning and planning, talk about long term and high cost.:eek: Still looking to follow through with stock engine setup and keep low boost until back up engine is built.
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Question: Is the GT35 T4 .68AR/.70 Turbo too much for the stock engine, even with intention of low boost(having functional BOV and WG) between 4-6 psi?
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Well either y'all don't know, or you have knowledge and don't wanna' share... lol! Its okay, that is a great way for me to stop posting here, because if theres no love, I'd rather be elsewhere. I believe regardless, a functional BOV,WG, and that awsome Tru Boost controller I got---->she'll be fine and fun with 4-6psi. For a new member here, I figured there would be a bit more response considering we all love the same kind of car... At least I had someone try to help on the (unrequested and known) correct way to pull an engine.:D
PEACE.
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I'm sorry for anything that reads kinda "jerky", that is my last goal. I will continue this thread for progress/pics as generated. Thanks for the help given guys, and gals!!!
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Well either y'all don't know, or you have knowledge and don't wanna' share... lol! Its okay, that is a great way for me to stop posting here, because if theres no love, I'd rather be elsewhere. I believe regardless, a functional BOV,WG, and that awsome Tru Boost controller I got---->she'll be fine and fun with 4-6psi. For a new member here, I figured there would be a bit more response considering we all love the same kind of car... At least I had someone try to help on the (unrequested and known) correct way to pull an engine.:D
PEACE.
We all love the same motor and car, but this is a very small community. Only 5000 or so e30 M42's were built, and there are probably less on the road today which means we have small numbers of online people. Still we do have a lot to offer. As for your PSI and such I was beginning to research and I think 5psi would be just fine on the stock injectors/fuel pressure. I know DASC ran 7psi and they used a RRFP regulator that was the only mod to stock. I also think 4-5psi would be alright on the stock compression ratio. If I were to do a turbo build on the stock motor I would only work with about that much, then I would be looking at lower boost and such. I am still interested in your build, and look foward to seeing you post more pictures. Also who made your turbo manifold?
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Question: Is the GT35 T4 .68AR/.70 Turbo too much for the stock engine, even with intention of low boost(having functional BOV and WG) between 4-6 psi?
Yes.Try to find a GT2860
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who made your turbo manifold?
I bought this stainless steel turbo header manifold from a business through ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-TURBO-HEADER-MANIFOLD-BMW-E36-M42-M44-318i-is-ti-/160752248540?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256d94a6dc&vxp=mtr
My Dad added 1 inch extensions for clearance away from the valve cover when he made my down pipe and rest of the stainless exhaust.
Thank you both for responding with great support/info.
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hey John
I also built my first turbo convertion at home but only it was on a m40 engine.it is done but im always fiddling on it :-).dont forget to make a turbo drain hole for the oil before you put the engine back or youll be sorry.
i bought a new t3/t4 turbo but ended up fitting a t28 so that i can spool up at lower revs.im currently running it on 0.8 bar boost with stock internals and it seems to be holding up fine.i fitted an extra 4 injectors at the bottom of the intake to feed the extra fuel once it starts boosting . its wired up to a perfect power management system that only manages the extra fuel with a map sensor to register boost. once everything is put together you will find that there are a lot of small things you will need to finish it off.
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all of it will be worth it once you take it for the first drive and you hear the turbo spool up and then the BOV going wooosh. instant smile :-)
you guys have it so easy because my car is right hand drive and the turbo downpipe is a mission to get past the steeringcolumn. oh and dont forget to weld in a bung for your lamda sensor in your downpipe.
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I'd be commenting if I had the smallest idea of how to do what you're doing. Nice work there, I've been reading this post every day.
+1 on what 318kid said...there just aren't a lot of people active in this community. The M4x is a sadly neglected motor. IMHO if they'd have kept the e30 alive a few more years it'd have made a big difference. The e36 has a far more refined feel than the lively e30, and with the lovely M5x I suppose it's hard to love the four-banger "economy car."
You're posting this on R3v too, aren't you? That's a far more active community - you're likely to get a lot more response there, especially on turbos and suchlike.
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Wow, thank you all for the helpful encouraging comments!!! I am kinda at a holding point due to the engine I bought fitment with oil pan, and the GT35 turbo possibly causing detonation... I have picked out a GT2860 with a built in waste gate set at approximately 10 psi.. I haven't purchased it yet, based on possible engine building instead(main objective to lower the compression ratio)...also taking care of bills. My E30 is sitting pretty waiting for me when the time is right. I want to move forward sooo bad, but I need to take my time and do it right. I may have two m42--> full engines up for grabs if there is anyone interested... one has 240k on it but still ran fine with minor leak from timing profile gasket, and other has 93k from a 1993 BMW. Thanks again y'all and keep me posted if parts sale or trading, or more helpful info is available.
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Subscribed.
I'm reading your stuff, dude. I just don't have answers for you. lol
Now if it's suspension voodoo you want to know about, I might be able to help. :D
d.hitchcock
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So I had a great time with my gf's family today, enjoyed some great cookin' too! When me and her got back home, she got busy on her project toy box for a special niece and I decided to get on the oil pan swap issue to compare pick-up line location and all the needed.
They matched up perfect, which is good since both are m42b18 engine blocks... I went ahead with a huge smile and laugh at myself for almost selling this baby due to frustration.... got the pans swapped and will drop the 93k engine in soon.
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1993 BMW engine with 93k:
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1991 BMW engine with 240k:
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Swap DONE:
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John Henry,
Where in Texas do you live? I am In Sugar Land (next to Houston)
I am getting my pennies together & gathering information to do something similar to what you are doing.
Have to wait till retirement though...maybe at the end of this year (old fart car guy here)
Good luck…
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John Henry,
Where in Texas do you live? I am In Sugar Land (next to Houston)
I am getting my pennies together & gathering information to do something similar to what you are doing.
Have to wait till retirement though...maybe at the end of this year (old fart car guy here)
Good luck…
Hahaha! I am out by Texas Tech University--Lubbock. Money is always an issue for me... If I had more money, I would have went for a LS1 swap into this car... Thank you!
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Ill sell it if someone's fair to me on price, still less than what I have expended.
Got the starter in, and most of the wire harness. Still have the alternator, A/C, radiator, exhaust, ignition coil, windshield washer fluid reservoir, and the fuel pump...
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Hello! repost the pics pls.
THanks.