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DISCUSSION => Engine + Driveline => Topic started by: 4banger on January 27, 2010, 09:49:32 PM

Title: solid lifters
Post by: 4banger on January 27, 2010, 09:49:32 PM

anyone got a part number for the VW solid lifters that fits the m42? i know euro s50 lifters will swap in but not so common on this side of the pond.  i was told the 84 vw rabbits and gti's had solid lifters. any help is much abligied.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: dsm2002 on January 27, 2010, 10:46:25 PM

This thread (http://www.m42club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8230) has some discussion on solid lifters.

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Does this look like an option for our engines? Eurospec (http://www.eurospecsport.com/products/components/valvetrain.htm) have a mechanical one piece cam follower set (4 valve 16 piece) for $160USD. Part no. is 027 198 309 HM14.5. It is 35mm in diameter with 14.5mm foot. This is close in size to the Catcams mechanical follower which has a 14.7mm foot.

(http://www.eurospecsport.com/products/components/images/027-198-309-HM145.jpg)

Title: solid lifters
Post by: 4banger on January 28, 2010, 06:24:22 AM

thanks. all i needed was the spec numbers.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: boldrix on January 30, 2010, 04:54:22 AM

S50 lifters is biger 37mm

Title: solid lifters
Post by: flyinglizard on January 30, 2010, 12:17:00 PM

The VW solids are the same bore, but they have top shims. The shims depart and ruin the head often at high revs. For operation under 8000, the techtonics light weight hydro lifters work well.   The solids also are about 8-10mm shorter plunger depth than the hydro lifters.
    Check out "Alfa" lifters, with inverted  shims, buckets etc.
 MM

Title: solid lifters
Post by: 4banger on January 30, 2010, 02:15:55 PM

im trying to get away from hydro lifters. im turning 7700 as it is. hydro's are shit above 7k. i need solids. if i cant find ready made ones ill have 16 machined to catcams specs. my new cams are too radical for hydro lifters. id like to get them fitted sometime this century lol

Title: solid lifters
Post by: flyinglizard on January 30, 2010, 09:25:20 PM

Are the cams cut for hydro or solid lifters?Not many interchange.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: 4banger on January 30, 2010, 09:34:15 PM

cut for solids. delta cams cut them for me to catcams specs

Title: solid lifters
Post by: dsm2002 on January 31, 2010, 02:28:54 AM

Quote from: flyinglizard;86180

The VW solids are the same bore, but they have top shims. The shims depart and ruin the head often at high revs. For operation under 8000, the techtonics light weight hydro lifters work well.   The solids also are about 8-10mm shorter plunger depth than the hydro lifters.
    Check out "Alfa" lifters, with inverted  shims, buckets etc.
 MM

The Eurospec lifters (as per the photo above) are for shim under set up.

Quote from: 4banger;86250

cut for solids. delta cams cut them for me to catcams specs

Interesting. What's the spec on the cams? Are they reground stock cams or blanks?

Title: solid lifters
Post by: 4banger on January 31, 2010, 02:33:22 AM

welded up and reground. 286's pretty hot cams. most of the shrick's are around 256 or so.
the m42 build may be put on the back burner while im building the m10. i may go totaly nut on the m42 build and bore and stroke it. itb's or a dual tb setup and stand alone managment.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Ricer Ennemi on April 19, 2010, 12:22:00 AM

Hi,my goal is 7000rpm.Would like the redline to be @ 7200.
So the VW hydro lifters help,OK.I would like to use them with
E36 6MM valves.With good oil pump should be OK.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: flyinglizard on April 19, 2010, 07:33:39 AM

I get 7500 out of the VW hydro. On our race VWs.
  The M 42 has lighter valves and should not have any problems at 7200 with the stock or VW lifters. IMHO. MM

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Warsteiner on April 19, 2010, 08:05:39 AM

I agree with running the stock ones to 7000-7200rpm with no issues. I have a friend who runs 7500rpm all day long on his stock motor at the track with a DASC. I plan on running my stroker there too.  Most of the E36M3 racers also run that rpm in their respective classes where solid lifters are not allowed.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Ricer Ennemi on April 20, 2010, 09:12:09 PM

So lifters are not a problem to access the 6 to 7K powerband?!
Valves lift and N close without "floating".I'm still interest in putting
lighter valvetrain pieces.And I want E36 6mm valves.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Romrog318is on April 20, 2010, 10:22:29 PM

with a mark D chip it turns 7100 easy...
solids arent really that needed till much higher RPMS but u gotta think to turn high RPMs u would also need stiffer valve springs..

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Ryann on April 20, 2010, 10:56:08 PM

Welcome back, 4banger.
Being a former mk1 GTI fanatic, I'd strongly advise against the VW solid lifter/shim business. Total pain in the ass.

Title: solid lifters
Post by: PumpItUp on April 21, 2010, 05:48:26 AM

^ :)
reading this i was pondering why anyone would want vw parts on their car. but then i remembered how indestructible the mk1/mk2 8v motor was. I did 120-130mph every day when I had one, I have yet to do 100 in my e30. i abused it endlessly. i've heard stories about owners (women usually) driving them around with no oil for months.

still, have you seen the vw repair manual joke? (its a grenade). there's a lot of truth to that. can't find it on google :-(

Title: solid lifters
Post by: flyinglizard on April 21, 2010, 08:41:45 PM

I wish that the VW 16 V engine fit this car. It is way faster and bullet proof.
       Part of the power  problem is the lack off knock sensor. I dont know why BMW would run without one, makes no sense and cost fuel mileage and power.
 The stock dub lifters  go  to 7700( 7800- 7900 actually) , with good springs. Stock springs on the Dub are all done by 6600.
 The M 42 should go to 7000  with stock parts. As long as the engine has not sat for long periods of time and sagged any springs.
 Buy good springs for racing ...  Cheap and they wear out. MM

Title: solid lifters
Post by: flyinglizard on April 21, 2010, 08:48:52 PM

I had a  customer, women with an old Jetta. I told her to check the antifreeze ,as it was going to be cold. She called me and said that she filled the antifreeze but now the car ran poorly., could she come by?
 She had filled the engine oil up to  the top with antifreeze. Dumped about 3 gal out of water, antifreeze, and oil out of the engine,  dropped the pan and wiped out the inside,refilled the oil and she drove it home.
 She also filled it with diesel fuel, ran poorly then also.. The car outlived her..

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Romrog318is on April 21, 2010, 09:19:41 PM

^^^ LMFAO niceee

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Ricer Ennemi on April 21, 2010, 10:41:42 PM

So my first concern is the springs.OK
Is there other alternative to aftermarket springs?

Title: solid lifters
Post by: Romrog318is on April 22, 2010, 12:09:28 PM

^ try finding titanium ones